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[PL] PL2007 Discussion: General Discussion
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-01 16:20:20 UTC
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[PL] PL2007 Discussion: General Discussion

and away we go. . . :)

This thread is for discussion. Program descriptions should be posted in
the PL program description thread. If you wish to discuss a specific
program, Pricelessware category etc. please remove "General Discussion"
from the Subject header and add an appropriate description.

Timetable for the 2007 Pricelessware List review.

October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals. Discussion.
October 25 - October 31, 2006 - Program nominations and seconds. Discussion.
November 1 - November 7, 2006 Voting period
November 8, 2006 - Vote Results Posted
November 9, 2006 - Preliminary Pricelessware List Posted
November 9 - November 15, 2006 - Final Selection Discussion
November 16, 2006 - Final Pricelessware List Posted

I've added the PL2007 links at the bottom of the "front page". Most of
the links don't go anywhere yet but you can navigate to the Nominations
and Procedures web pages from there now.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/

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Aaron
2006-10-02 14:17:39 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Timetable for the 2007 Pricelessware List review.
October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals.
What's this?
Susan Bugher
2006-10-02 14:42:12 UTC
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Post by Aaron
Post by Susan Bugher
Timetable for the 2007 Pricelessware List review.
October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals.
What's this?
See "da rules":
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php

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Susan Bugher
2006-10-02 17:29:33 UTC
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I suggest sending *two* posts when you post a program description. One
in the description thread and one in the discussion thread so people can
post their comments about the app.

Like so:

Subject: PL2007 Program Descriptions: MyFavoriteProgram
(The program description post should have ONLY the description for the
web page.)

Subject: [PL] PL2007 Discussion: MyFavoriteProgram
(The discussion thread can have any other info and comments you care to
add.)

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Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 03:33:26 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic (AntiVir Personal Edition)
Company: Avira GmbH (was H+BEDV Datentechnik GmbH) Author: --
(Liteware) (Nagware) (Registerware: keyed) (free for personal use)
Windows OS: Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP
Other OS: Linux; Unix
Languages: English; German
Description: Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic reliably protects
your private computer against dangerous viruses, worms, Trojans and
costly dialers. COMMENTS: Antivir provides a resident Virus Guard which
provides real time antivirus protection. It handles macro viruses and
detects unknown malware using heuristics. Automatic and manual updates
of the signature database are available. It does not provide email
scanning , or detection of adware.
Home page:
http://www.free-av.com/
download page v 7.00.00.47 (2006-09-13) [
antivir_workstation_win7_en_h.exe (13653 KB) Win 98/ME] [
antivir_workstation_win7u_en_h.exe (13043 KB) Win NT/2000/XP]
http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Kurt
2006-10-03 10:44:46 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic (AntiVir Personal Edition)
Company: Avira GmbH (was H+BEDV Datentechnik GmbH) Author: --
(Liteware) (Nagware) (Registerware: keyed) (free for personal use)
Windows OS: Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP
Other OS: Linux; Unix
Languages: English; German
Description: Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic reliably
protects your private computer against dangerous viruses, worms,
Trojans and costly dialers. COMMENTS: Antivir provides a resident
Virus Guard which provides real time antivirus protection. It
handles macro viruses and detects unknown malware using
heuristics. Automatic and manual updates of the signature database
are available. It does not provide email scanning , or detection
http://www.free-av.com/
download page v 7.00.00.47 (2006-09-13) [
antivir_workstation_win7_en_h.exe (13653 KB) Win 98/ME] [
antivir_workstation_win7u_en_h.exe (13043 KB) Win NT/2000/XP]
http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
I've used Anti-Vir in it's earlier versions and found that it was
pretty goog. It does have some problems with false-positives from time
to time. This is a function attributable to the heuristic engine, or so
I beleive. Overall, I prefer it to AVG and Avast.

The description needs no changes.
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Kurt
REM
2006-10-03 16:27:51 UTC
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Post by Kurt
I've used Anti-Vir in it's earlier versions and found that it was
pretty goog. It does have some problems with false-positives from time
to time. This is a function attributable to the heuristic engine, or so
I beleive. Overall, I prefer it to AVG and Avast.
The description needs no changes.
Well, I switched to Avast. I really don't like the registration part,
but that is a very small inconvenience that I'm willing to make every
14 months (what it said after my 60 day registration expired).

We're really lucky in the domain of freeware anti-viral programs!
Kurt
2006-10-03 20:21:00 UTC
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Post by REM
Post by Kurt
I've used Anti-Vir in it's earlier versions and found that it was
pretty goog. It does have some problems with false-positives from
time to time. This is a function attributable to the heuristic
engine, or so I beleive. Overall, I prefer it to AVG and Avast.
The description needs no changes.
Well, I switched to Avast. I really don't like the registration
part, but that is a very small inconvenience that I'm willing to
make every 14 months (what it said after my 60 day registration
expired).
We're really lucky in the domain of freeware anti-viral programs!
Yes, indeed we are. I'm quite pleased that there are several good
programs available. Not to mention the fact that one program may not
suit individual users preferences.
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Kurt
REM
2006-10-04 11:06:29 UTC
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Post by Kurt
Yes, indeed we are. I'm quite pleased that there are several good
programs available. Not to mention the fact that one program may not
suit individual users preferences.
I had a motherboard go bad and I had to do a clean install. This is
when I tried Avast, and I really like it. At that time, Avira AntiVir
really had a tough time in updating. Have they addressed this issue
yet?

I was using the incremental updating version. It was beta for awhile,
and I'm not sure if it went on to a good working alpha version or not.

I did like it very much as an AV.
Kurt
2006-10-04 17:21:31 UTC
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Post by REM
Post by Kurt
Yes, indeed we are. I'm quite pleased that there are several good
programs available. Not to mention the fact that one program may
not suit individual users preferences.
I had a motherboard go bad and I had to do a clean install. This
is when I tried Avast, and I really like it. At that time, Avira
AntiVir really had a tough time in updating. Have they addressed
this issue yet?
I don't know if they have or not. I'm not running an AV on this
particular box at the moment.

[...]
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Cheers,
Kurt
REM
2006-10-05 14:30:53 UTC
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avast!
Company: ALWIL Software Author: --
(Liteware) (Registerware: email; name; country) (free for personal
use) The trial version is fully functional for sixty days. You may
register at any time during that period. After one year you must
reregister to obtain a new license key
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT4/2000/XP
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: avast! 4 Home Edition is a full-featured antivirus
package designed exclusively for home users. New version of avast!
antivirus kernel features outstanding detection abilities, together
with high performance. You can expect 100% detection of In-the-Wild
viruses (the ones what are really spreading amongst people) and very
good detection of Trojan horses, all that with only a minimum number
of false alarms. avast! Home Edition contains resident protection of
the computer file system and resident module for e-mails.
Home page:
http://www.avast.com/
download page v 4.7.844 (2006-05-31) [ setupeng.exe (10908 KB)
English]
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-06-04)

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I don't see anything other than the version update that needs
changing.

My new key, after the 60 days, said that it was good for 14 months.
Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 14:58:07 UTC
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Post by REM
avast!
I copied the info to a post in the program description thread - just for
tracking purposes.

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Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 01:20:17 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

NOTE: This app has been flagged "Trialware?" in the Ware Ballot column
since the definition is still subject to change.

Posted for discussion:

avast!
Company: ALWIL Software Author: --
(Liteware) (Registerware: keyed: expires/renewable) (free for personal
use) annual re-registration is required
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT4/2000/XP
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: avast! 4 Home Edition is a full-featured antivirus package
designed exclusively for home users. New version of avast! antivirus
kernel features outstanding detection abilities, together with high
performance. You can expect 100% detection of In-the-Wild viruses (the
ones what are really spreading amongst people) and very good detection
of Trojan horses, all that with only a minimum number of false alarms.
avast! Home Edition contains resident protection of the computer file
system and resident module for e-mails.
Home page:
http://www.avast.com/
download page v 4.7.892 (2006-09-25) [ setupeng.exe (11816 KB) English]
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-05)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 03:34:36 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

Calendar Magic
Company: EuroSoft Author: Alex Balfour
(Freeware)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/XP NOTES: Requires VB6 runtime
Languages: English
Description: Full year and monthly calendars for 23 different calendar
systems. Alternative planning calendars. A month-by-month, side-by-side
comparison of any two of the 23 calendar systems supported. The display
remains synchronised as you change day, month and year values in either
calendar system being viewed. Date conversions among the 23 calendar
systems supported. British regnal date conversion. Lists of Western
Christian, Eastern Orthodox, Buddhist, Chinese, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish,
Baha'i and Sikh festivals. "Observed Days" for any year from 1990 for
around 230 countries worldwide. "Date Detective" command button to
tabulate the weekday on which a specified Gregorian date d/m occurs for
each of the years in the specified range y1 to y2. The ability to
create, display, update and delete reminders for events (birthdays,
anniversaries, meetings etc.). A Quick Notes facility. Alarm clock and
stopwatch facilities. A time calculator for performing arithmetic with
times. "This is your life" information including day-of-the-week on
which you were born, number of days you have lived etc. Continuously
updated display of date, time and Julian day. Number of days between any
two dates in the Gregorian calendar. Calculation of the date n days,
weeks, months or years before or after a specified Gregorian date, where
n is a whole number. An analysis of the Gregorian 400-year cycle, after
which the Gregorian calendar repeats itself. Special calendars for 1582
and 1752. Solar and lunar astronomical data. Shortest (great circle)
distances between any two of 8000 locations across the world. Current
local time and date in any of these 8000 locations. Seven major
utilities (scientific calculator, expression calculator, geometry
calculator, factor calculator, pregnancy calculator, unit converter,
magic squares).
Home page:
http://www.stokepoges.plus.com
download page v 16.2 (2006-08-14) [ calmag162.zip (2132 KB)]
http://freeware4u.com/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=136
alternate download page
http://www.simtel.net/pub/dl/55320.shtml
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 03:35:38 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

freeCommander
Company: -- Author: Marek Jasinski
(Donationware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP NOTES: No installation required.
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: freeCommander is an easy-to-use alternative to the standard
windows file manager. The program helps you with daily work in Windows.
Here you can find all the necessary functions to manage your data stock.
You can take freeCommander anywhere - just copy the installation
directory on a CD, USB-Stick or even a floppy disk - and you can even
work with this program on a foreign computer. Main features: dual-panel
technology; optional tree view for each panel; built in file viewer to
view files in hex, binary, text or image format; file viewer inside
archives too; built in archive handling: ZIP (read, write), CAB (read,
write), RAR (read); nested archive handling; easy access to system
folders, control panel, desktop and start menu; copy, move, delete,
rename files and folders; file splitting; file properties and context
menu; calculation of folder size; folder comparison / synchronization;
modification of file date and attributes; folder / program favorites;
file searching (inside archive too); file filters for display; DOS
command line.
Home page:
http://www.freecommander.com/
download page v 2006.06b (2006-09-17) [ fc_setup_.zip (1635 KB)]
http://www.freecommander.com/fc_downl_en.htm
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 03:36:25 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

GParted LiveCD
Company: -- Author: Bart Hakvoort; Patrick Verner; project team
(Donationware) (free) (open source: GNU GPL)
Windows OS: n/a NOTES: No installation required.
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: GParted LiveCD uses Xorg, the lightweight Fluxbox window
manager, and the latest 2.6 Linux Kernel.GParted is an
industrial-strength package for creating, destroying, resizing, moving,
checking and copying partitions, and the filesystems on them. This is
useful for creating space for new operating systems, reorganizing disk
usage, copying data residing on hard disks and mirroring one partition
with another (disk imaging).
Home Page:
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
Program description:
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
download page v 0.3.1-1 (2006-09-12) [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso (29212
KB)] [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso.zip (28413 KB)]
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Kurt
2006-10-03 10:48:57 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
GParted LiveCD
Company: -- Author: Bart Hakvoort; Patrick Verner; project team
(Donationware) (free) (open source: GNU GPL)
Windows OS: n/a NOTES: No installation required.
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: GParted LiveCD uses Xorg, the lightweight Fluxbox
window manager, and the latest 2.6 Linux Kernel.GParted is an
industrial-strength package for creating, destroying, resizing,
moving, checking and copying partitions, and the filesystems on
them. This is useful for creating space for new operating systems,
reorganizing disk usage, copying data residing on hard disks and
mirroring one partition with another (disk imaging).
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
download page v 0.3.1-1 (2006-09-12) [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso
(29212 KB)] [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso.zip (28413 KB)]
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Use with caution as the program is very powerful and can create
problems if you are not knowledgable of what you are trying to do with
it. The statement that the program is "industrial-strength" may not be
understood by all readers.
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Kurt
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 18:38:06 UTC
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Post by Kurt
Post by Susan Bugher
GParted LiveCD
Company: -- Author: Bart Hakvoort; Patrick Verner; project team
(Donationware) (free) (open source: GNU GPL)
Windows OS: n/a NOTES: No installation required.
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: GParted LiveCD uses Xorg, the lightweight Fluxbox
window manager, and the latest 2.6 Linux Kernel.GParted is an
industrial-strength package for creating, destroying, resizing,
moving, checking and copying partitions, and the filesystems on
them. This is useful for creating space for new operating systems,
reorganizing disk usage, copying data residing on hard disks and
mirroring one partition with another (disk imaging).
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
download page v 0.3.1-1 (2006-09-12) [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso
(29212 KB)] [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso.zip (28413 KB)]
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=115843
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Use with caution as the program is very powerful and can create
problems if you are not knowledgable of what you are trying to do with
it. The statement that the program is "industrial-strength" may not be
understood by all readers.
I appreciate your check of the description. :) :) :)

"industrial-strength" is a quote from info on one of the GParted web
pages - I'm reluctant to change it. Most authors have a blurb that can
be copied and pasted (this app's description was a challenge).

Note: PAD files often contain both long and short paragraph descriptions
of the program and a lot of other useful info. You can search for pad
files here (and/or use Google):
http://www.asp-shareware.org/pad/padlib.asp

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Kurt
2006-10-03 20:46:29 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
I appreciate your check of the description. :) :) :)
You're very welcome. One of the few things I can do to help out.
Post by Susan Bugher
"industrial-strength" is a quote from info on one of the GParted
web pages - I'm reluctant to change it. Most authors have a blurb
that can be copied and pasted (this app's description was a
challenge).
I realize that most folks from North America probably would not have
any difficulty with the term, but not all of our netizens are fluent in
N.A. jargon.

Gparted is a challenging program by itself so it's no wonder that
describing it is also a challenge.
Post by Susan Bugher
Note: PAD files often contain both long and short paragraph
descriptions of the program and a lot of other useful info. You
http://www.asp-shareware.org/pad/padlib.asp
I'll keep that tip in mind.
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Cheers,
Kurt
Whirled Peas
2006-10-03 15:03:14 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
GParted LiveCD
Company: -- Author: Bart Hakvoort; Patrick Verner; project team
(Donationware) (free) (open source: GNU GPL)
Windows OS: n/a NOTES: No installation required.
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English and many other languages
Description: GParted LiveCD uses Xorg, the lightweight Fluxbox window =
=
Post by Susan Bugher
manager, and the latest 2.6 Linux Kernel.GParted is an =
industrial-strength package for creating, destroying, resizing, moving=
, =
Post by Susan Bugher
checking and copying partitions, and the filesystems on them. This is =
=
Post by Susan Bugher
useful for creating space for new operating systems, reorganizing disk=
=
Post by Susan Bugher
usage, copying data residing on hard disks and mirroring one partition=
=
Post by Susan Bugher
with another (disk imaging).
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
download page v 0.3.1-1 (2006-09-12) [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso (292=
12 =
Post by Susan Bugher
KB)] [ gparted-livecd-0.3.1-1.iso.zip (28413 KB)]
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3D115843
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
[aside]
Susan, thanks for adding this to the discussion thread (and for the =

description rewrite). I was slow in getting round to doing so. I'll get =
=

your check in the mail soon . . . really! :-P I also wasn't sure quite h=
ow =

to classify gparted since I don't believe there has ever been a livecd o=
n =

the PL in the past.
[/aside]

One of the things I really like about the graphical interface in gparted=
=

is that it displays the used space in each partition for you. If you hav=
e =

a hard disc and want to cut it in half so you can experiment with anothe=
r =

OS or so you can store your critical files in a partition different than=
=

the windows "home" partition, you can see how much space has already bee=
n =

taken up by windows (or whatever). You can see what I mean by looking at=
=

the screenshots on the gparted website: =

http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 19:08:41 UTC
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Post by Whirled Peas
Susan, thanks for adding this to the discussion thread (and for the
description rewrite). I was slow in getting round to doing so. I'll get
your check in the mail soon . . . really! :-P I also wasn't sure quite
how to classify gparted since I don't believe there has ever been a
livecd on the PL in the past.
That description *was* a challenge. :)

Once a description is uploaded for discussion *everybody* can
review/check it and let me know if it needs corrections and/or updating.

Often information is NOT readily available online - info about the less
desirable "ware types", whether or not *free* is limited to personal use
only etc. IOW I need all the help I can get. . .

Susan
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 03:37:25 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

IPResolve
Company: Zone 17 Software Author: Benoit Bousquet
(Freeware)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/NT/2000 NOTES: No installation required; no
registry entries.
Other OS: BeOS
Languages: English
Description:
Home Page:
http://software.zone17.com/
Program description: download v 1.0 (2000-08-26) [
IPResolve-1.0-Win32.zip (4 KB) Windows]
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-02)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 03:38:14 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

Neutron
Company: -- Author: Robin Keir
(Donationware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/NT/2000/XP
Languages: English
Description: Neutron is a very simple and small time synchronizing
program that retrieves the accurate time from one of several specialized
time servers on the Internet. Once the network time has been retrieved
the program can set your computer's clock to match it. Options in the
program enable you to automatically obtain the time from the time server
and set your clock appropriately at program startup. It is also possible
to have the program automatically exit after the time has been set.
Home page:
http://keir.net/
Program description: download v 1.03 (2002-03-12) [ neutron.zip (6 K)]
http://keir.net/neutron.html
(desc. rev.: 2005-10-10)
Roger Johansson
2006-10-03 05:18:26 UTC
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Twisted Brush

(Version 3.5 : 1792kb)
Type: Paint program with some image processing features too.

Company: Pixarra Company
Released as freeware 06-10-03

Freeware (closed source, proprietary, probably not redistributable, but

otherwise perfect freeware, no time limit, no limitation in functions,
no ads. Free to use for anybody.

http://www.pixarra.com/download.html
(The freeware version is below the commercial version.)

System Requirements:
Windows 95/98/me/2000/NT/XP
20mb disk space
256mb ram
16, 24, or 32 bit display mode. Will not run in 256 color modes

Languages: English

Description: Twisted Brush is a very good paint program. The freeware
version has no limitations or time limits, it is a fully enabled
earlier version of the commercial program.

New program to Pricelessware.
Requires installation, but after being installed it runs from its own
folder irrespective of changing operating systems or changes in
registry.

I installed it and a few weeks later my operating system crashed. I
installed win 2000 pro again, and this program ran without any
complaints in the new operating system. So it is of the same type as
Opera browser and Pixia, it runs happily from its own folder in any
environment after the initial installation.

It is not dependent on registry entries, so it would probably run from
an usb-memory too.
.........

As this is the discussion thread, let me add that I am very impressed
by the smoothness of the brushes, how the paint is laid on when you
move a brush. One of the best paint programs in that respect I have
ever tried. And that is the most important function in a paint program.

The user interface is the best I have ever seen in a paint program, it
is very easy to understand and control the brush size, density,
luminence and opacity, nice big sliders which are easy to move with the
mouse.

The color is also very easy to change with big sliders for small
changes in the nuance, one slider for each of the three colors red,
blue and green, plus a color selector for big changes, like from red to
blue.

The settings for brush type and subsettings for brushes are easily
available under the canvas settings. The author of this program has
really thought a lot about the user interface and has created the best
user interface I have seen in a paint program.

Something I often miss in other paint programs is the ability to
quickly save a brush with all its characteristics, like size, type and
color. That is very easy to do in Twisted Brush.

5*12 saved brushes are immediately available, and you can easily switch
between 8 such sets of 60 saved brushes because the save box has 8 tabs
you can click on to switch to another set of 5*12 brushes.

The first 7 sets of saved brushes are already preset to a multitude of
different brushes of many different types, the number 8 tab has 60
empty unset brush places.
You can rightclick on a saved brush mark to set the color to the one
you are using.

In the filter menu it has image processing filters and adjustments
which is similar in function and numbers to the image processing
functions in Photofiltre.

The most amazing and mindblowing feature of this program is when you
start to explore the brush effects panel. Last icon in the toolbar,
toggle effects panel off or on.

You can apply one or more effects to a brush, in addition to the basic
settings, and it can produce the most strange and fantastic effects.

If you turn on too many effects on the same brush it will become slow,
but it also starts behaving like a psychedelic screensaver all on its
own. It is simply mindblowing how many different effects and
combinations of effects that can be applied to a brush.

I know enough about math to understand that all these possibilities
multiplied with each other make the possible variations of brush
effects into a huge number, like a billion different combinations or
more.

You can save the painting in bmp, jpg, and png formats.

You can import pictures in TIF, TGA, BMP, JPEG, PNG formats.

The program has many more features like scripting, saving art sets,
masks, having several paintings open simultaneously organized in pages
and books, different canvases.

Zooming in and out is easy with menu selections and keyboard shortcuts.
The right mouse button can be used for different functions, for example
as color picker.

....

about the GIF format:

Twisted Brush (freeware) cannot import or write to gif format, probably
because gif is a format which you have to pay licences to use. I just
checked with Pixia (freeware), it has even more import formats but not
gif.
I checked in Paintshop pro 7 (payware), and it can import gif files. So
Psp has probably paid for using gif files.

I checked Artweaver (newly updated freeware), and it can open gif
files.

Maybe the status of gif files have changed lately, so older freeware
programs have not used it but newer paint programs have started using
the gif format.

Yes, a quick search confirms my hunch, from a web page:

"1. We were able to search the patent databases of the USA, Canada,
Japan, and the European Union. The Unisys patent expired on 20 June
2003 in the USA, in Europe it expired on 18 June 2004, in Japan the
patent expired on 20 June 2004 and in Canada it expired on 7 July 2004.
The U.S. IBM patent expired 11 August 2006, The Software Freedom Law
Center says that after 1 October 2006, there will be no significant
patent claims interfering with employment of the GIF format."
--
Roger J.
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 18:14:08 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

TwistedBrush Free
Company: Pixarra Author: --
(Freeware) older version of a commercial program
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP; Windows Server 2003
Languages: English
Description: The digital paint software with complete natural art tools.
Software for artists without the complexity of other art programs.
Compare us to the other "natural media" art programs. Oil paint feels
thick with color. Airbrushes feather their spray the further they are
from the page. A variety of blenders range from dry dust to wet to semi
dry smudging. Oil pastels mix and smear. Incredible effects.
Home page:
http://www.pixarra.com/
download page v 3.5 (2006-10-03) [ tbrush35.exe (1792 KB)]
http://www.pixarra.com/download.html
Program description; alternate download page
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
Roger Johansson
2006-10-04 17:31:37 UTC
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Netmeter

Category:
Internet

Subcategory:
Network Monitor

(Network bandwidth monitoring program)

01 (Program Name)
Netmeter

02 (Ware Description)
Freeware for all

03 (OS-WIN)
Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/NT4/2000/XP.

06 (Languages)
English

07 Desc

NetMeter is a small, customizable network bandwidth monitoring program.
The graph shows in real time what is happening on your internet
connection.
A perfect download looks like a solid red rectangle moving to the left.
Pauses or disturbings in the transmissions or lower speeds are easy to
see.

Features

Netmeter can be customized in many ways, the title line and text line
can be disabled leaving only a rectangle diagram. The possible top
speed of your connection can be set up to be at the top of the diagram.
The graph window can be dimensioned and moved easily to any size, shape
and position. Rightclicking on the tray icon shows a menu with
functions like options and statistics for daily, weekly and monthly up
and download totals.

07a (Notes)

There are two versions of the program available. If the latest causes
any problems you can try the older version. Both are called beta
versions but work very well and have been recommended by several people
in ACF.
08 (Company)
Author: Haim Gelfenbeyn

09 (Link1 Desc)
home page:
http://readerror.gmxhome.de/

10 (Link1)
download page: v. Version 0.9.9.9 (beta 2) (Build date: 03/04/04)
http://readerror.gmxhome.de/

Direct download link
http://www.metal-machine.de/readerror/NetMeter_v0999beta2.exe
.........

This is the network monitor program which many think is the best in its
category, better than all freeware and payware alternatives.
It has all the natural features you can think of.
For example clicking on its tray icon hides or unhides the graph.
It can be set to be transparent on later windows versions.
If you want to study very slow traffic you can pull down the lower box
border to make the graph very high and you can see very slow traffic at
the bottom of the graph.

The graph window can be placed anywhere on the screen but I think it
fits well on the title line and the menu line of a maximized program,
to the right of the center, where titles and menus usually leave some
free space.

Several people have recommended this program so I think it will be easy
to get it nominated.
--
Roger J.
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 18:05:03 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

Eusing Free Registry Cleaner
Company: Eusing Software Author: --
(Donationware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP; Windows Server 2003
Languages: English
Description: Eusing Free Registry Cleaner allows you to safely clean and
repair registry problems with a few simple mouse clicks. Eusing Free
Registry Cleaner will scan your Windows registry for invalid or obsolete
information and provide a list of the errors found. After fixing the
invalid entries, your system will be more stable and run faster. For
maximum safety, Eusing Free Registry Cleaner will make a backup of the
repaired entries. You will be able to restore any changes made using the
software by choosing Restore registry backup.
Home Page:
http://www.eusing.com/
Program description; download v 1.1 (2006-07-17) [ EFRCSetup.exe (860 KB)]
http://www.eusing.com/free_registry_cleaner/registry_cleaner.htm
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
Kurt
2006-10-03 20:27:48 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Eusing Free Registry Cleaner
Company: Eusing Software Author: --
(Donationware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP; Windows Server 2003
Languages: English
Description: Eusing Free Registry Cleaner allows you to safely
clean and repair registry problems with a few simple mouse clicks.
Eusing Free Registry Cleaner will scan your Windows registry for
invalid or obsolete information and provide a list of the errors
found. After fixing the invalid entries, your system will be more
stable and run faster. For maximum safety, Eusing Free Registry
Cleaner will make a backup of the repaired entries. You will be
able to restore any changes made using the software by choosing
Restore registry backup.
I would suggest re-wording the last sentence to read:
You are able to restore any changes made by the registry cleaner by
choosing the Restore registry option.
--
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Kurt
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 18:07:13 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

Locate32
Company: -- Author: Janne Huttunen
(Betaware) (Freeware)
Windows OS: Windows 98/ME/NT4/2000/XP NOTES: Works with Windows 95 if
Internet Explorer 3 is installed.
Languages: English; French; German; Spanish; Swedish; Chinese (simplified)
Description: This program saves names of all files in your hard drives
to file database. After that you can locate files. Very fast. This
program works like updatedb and locate in Unix systems. COMMENTS:
Locate32 indexes all filenames on your disk. Contents are not indexed,
minimizing the burden on the system. Type in any string, and Locate32
will quickly list all files that contain that string in the filename.
Advanced search options are available. Unlike other seearch programs,
all right-click options for the listed files are available from within
Locate32.
Home Page:
http://www.uku.fi/~jmhuttun/
Program description: download (old versions)
http://www.uku.fi/~jmhuttun/english/softwares.shtml
Program description: download v 3.0 Beta 6 (2.99.6.9030) (2006-09-03) [
locate32-2.99.6.9030.zip (704 KB)]
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Locate/1044509669/1
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
Kurt
2006-10-03 20:37:26 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Description: This program saves names of all files in your hard
drives to file database. After that you can locate files. Very
fast. This program works like updatedb and locate in Unix systems.
COMMENTS: Locate32 indexes all filenames on your disk. Contents
are not indexed, minimizing the burden on the system. Type in any
string, and Locate32 will quickly list all files that contain that
string in the filename. Advanced search options are available.
Unlike other seearch programs, all right-click options for the
listed files are available from within Locate32.
Suggest re-wording the above to read:
"Description: This program saves the names of all files on your hard
drive(s) to a file database.Following the creation of the database, you
can locate individual file very quickly. This program operates
similarly to updatedb and locate in Unix-based operating systems.
COMMENTS: Locate32 creates indices of all filenames on your hard
drive(s). The contents of the files are not indexed which minimizes the
burden on the operating system. Once a string is entered in the search
function, Locate32 will return a list of all filenames containing the
entered string. Advaced search options are availble. Unlike other
search programs, Locate32 features all right-click options of the
context menu."
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spoon2001
2006-10-03 21:39:49 UTC
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Post by Kurt
"Description: This program saves the names of all files on your hard
drive(s) to a file database.Following the creation of the database,
you can locate individual file very quickly. This program operates
similarly to updatedb and locate in Unix-based operating systems.
COMMENTS: Locate32 creates indices of all filenames on your hard
drive(s). The contents of the files are not indexed which minimizes
the burden on the operating system. Once a string is entered in the
search function, Locate32 will return a list of all filenames
containing the entered string. Advaced search options are availble.
Unlike other search programs, Locate32 features all right-click
options of the context menu."
Yes ... Locate32 can create multiple databases, with each one indexing a
different subset of files.

Also, on further reflection, the index also stores other details besides
filename and pathname. The index also stores date/time and file size
information. This is obvious when you do a search on file size alone, or on
date/time alone ... the results are still lightning quick.

Also, a detail I omitted ... directory names are indexed in addition to the
filenames. So Locate32 is great for finding directories as well as files.
Kurt
2006-10-03 23:08:49 UTC
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"spoon2001" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:FMAUg.7156$***@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
[...]
Post by spoon2001
Also, on further reflection, the index also stores other details
besides filename and pathname. The index also stores date/time
and file size information. This is obvious when you do a search
on file size alone, or on date/time alone ... the results are
still lightning quick.
Also, a detail I omitted ... directory names are indexed in
addition to the filenames. So Locate32 is great for finding
directories as well as files.
Good things to know about the program. I'll have to take a closer look
at it for my own use.
--
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Kurt
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 23:28:18 UTC
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Post by spoon2001
Post by Kurt
"Description: This program saves the names of all files on your hard
drive(s) to a file database.Following the creation of the database,
you can locate individual file very quickly. This program operates
similarly to updatedb and locate in Unix-based operating systems.
COMMENTS: Locate32 creates indices of all filenames on your hard
drive(s). The contents of the files are not indexed which minimizes
the burden on the operating system. Once a string is entered in the
search function, Locate32 will return a list of all filenames
containing the entered string. Advaced search options are availble.
Unlike other search programs, Locate32 features all right-click
options of the context menu."
Yes ... Locate32 can create multiple databases, with each one indexing a
different subset of files.
Also, on further reflection, the index also stores other details besides
filename and pathname. The index also stores date/time and file size
information. This is obvious when you do a search on file size alone, or on
date/time alone ... the results are still lightning quick.
Also, a detail I omitted ... directory names are indexed in addition to the
filenames. So Locate32 is great for finding directories as well as files.
FYI - the one paragraph program description *may* be divided into three
parts. These divisions are shown in bold print. See the web pages for
examples.

*Description* (required):
The author's description/ blurb. (This info may be updated during the
PL2007 year.)

*Notes* (optional):
Important factual info that doesn't fit anywhere else. . . (This info
may be updated during the PL2007 year.)

*Comments* (optional):
Notes and comments by the individual who prepares the description. (This
info usually will NOT be updated during the PL2007 year.)

If you want to revise the description please follow the above guidelines
(and remember there are space limitations too - it has to fit into 2
cells in s apreadsheet).

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2006-10-03 18:08:21 UTC
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Posted for discussion:

Python
Company: Python Software Foundation (non-profit) Author: Guido van
Rossum (BDFL); e.a.
(Freeware) (open source: Python License)
Windows OS: Windows; Windows CE (Pocket PC)
Other OS: DOS; Mac OS X; Mac OS 9; Linux; Unix
Languages: English
Description: Python is a dynamic object-oriented programming language
that can be used for many kinds of software development. It offers
strong support for integration with other languages and tools, comes
with extensive standard libraries, and can be learned in a few days.
Many Python programmers report substantial productivity gains and feel
the language encourages the development of higher quality, more
maintainable code. Python runs on Windows, Linux/Unix, Mac OS X, OS/2,
Amiga, Palm Handhelds, and Nokia mobile phones. Python has also been
ported to the Java and .NET virtual machines.
Home page:
http://python.org/
download page v 2.5 (2006-09-19) [ python-2.5.msi (10445 KB) Windows]
http://python.org/download/
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 18:09:20 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

SUPERAntiSpyware
Company: SUPERAntiSpyware.com Author: Nick Skrepetos
(Liteware) (free for personal use)
Windows OS: Windows 98/ME/2000/XP; Windows Server 2003
Languages: English
Description:
Home Page:
http://www.superantispyware.com/
Program description:
http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html
download page v 3.2.1028 (2006-07-21) [ SUPERAntiSpyware.exe (5075 KB)]
http://www.superantispyware.com/download.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 18:10:36 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

System Safety Monitor (SSM) (SysSafe Monitor)
Company: System Safety Limited (was Max Computing) Author: --
(Liteware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 98/ME/2000/XP; Windows Server 2003
Languages: English; translate tool utility; help files in some other
languages
Description: System Safety Monitor (SSM) allows you to track down
Microsoft Windows operating system activity in real-time and to prevent
undesirable actions from various malware and spyware programs. SSM's
main goal is to discover and block malicious actions of any application.
Home Page:
https://syssafety.com/
Program description:
https://syssafety.com/product.html
download page v 2.0.8.582 (2006-08-11) [ ssm-2.0.8.582-free.exe (3217 KB)]
http://www.syssafety.com/files.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
Kurt
2006-10-03 20:41:58 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
System Safety Monitor (SSM) (SysSafe Monitor)
Company: System Safety Limited (was Max Computing) Author: --
(Liteware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 98/ME/2000/XP; Windows Server 2003
Languages: English; translate tool utility; help files in some
other languages
Description: System Safety Monitor (SSM) allows you to track down
Microsoft Windows operating system activity in real-time and to
prevent undesirable actions from various malware and spyware
programs. SSM's main goal is to discover and block malicious
actions of any application.
Home Page: https://syssafety.com/
https://syssafety.com/product.html
download page v 2.0.8.582 (2006-08-11) [ ssm-2.0.8.582-free.exe
(3217 KB)] http://www.syssafety.com/files.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-03)
I'd add or replace the existing description with the following infos to
the description:
SSM keeps track of the activity of all applications already started or
being started and allows you to control:

* which application can be started;
* which child application can be started by a selected one;
* which parent applications are allowed to start a selected one;
* whether a selected application is allowed to start if it was
modified;
* whether a selected application is allowed to install a driver;
* whether a selected application is allowed to perform code-
injection or DLL-injection;
* create/terminate a process (application);
* suspend a process and resume it afterwards;
* watch the list of DLLs loaded by a selected application.
* low level disk access (v2.1+)
* low level keyboard access (v2.1+)

Tracking and blocking changes in the following important operating
system parts:

* Windows registry;
* drivers and services state;
* INI-files;
* "Startup" item of Start menu;
* Microsoft Internet Explorer settings.

Window management:

* watches running applications windows;
* runs "black list" of applications windows, closes "unwanted"
applications windows automatically;
* browses the list of applications windows created in the system;
* shows invisible applications windows, hides visible ones, enables
user input for "locked down" applications windows.
--
Cheers,
Kurt
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 23:01:43 UTC
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Post by Kurt
I'd add or replace the existing description with the following infos to
SSM keeps track of the activity of all applications already started or
* which application can be started;
* which child application can be started by a selected one;
* which parent applications are allowed to start a selected one;
* whether a selected application is allowed to start if it was
modified;
* whether a selected application is allowed to install a driver;
* whether a selected application is allowed to perform code-
injection or DLL-injection;
* create/terminate a process (application);
* suspend a process and resume it afterwards;
* watch the list of DLLs loaded by a selected application.
* low level disk access (v2.1+)
* low level keyboard access (v2.1+)
Tracking and blocking changes in the following important operating
* Windows registry;
* drivers and services state;
* INI-files;
* "Startup" item of Start menu;
* Microsoft Internet Explorer settings.
* watches running applications windows;
* runs "black list" of applications windows, closes "unwanted"
applications windows automatically;
* browses the list of applications windows created in the system;
* shows invisible applications windows, hides visible ones, enables
user input for "locked down" applications windows.
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. . .

*** The web pages are not "free form"! ***

The above would require a complete restructuring of the Pricelessware
data (the spreadsheets and formulas). That's not likely to happen in the
next few weeks. ;)

Ideally the program descriptions will be submitted in the *exact* same
format as the web pages (same order of information, same date format,
program's file size in KB etc. Any departure from the standard increases
the amount of work I have to do).

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Kurt
2006-10-03 23:07:06 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
*** The web pages are not "free form"! ***
The above would require a complete restructuring of the
Pricelessware data (the spreadsheets and formulas). That's not
likely to happen in the next few weeks. ;)
Ideally the program descriptions will be submitted in the *exact*
same format as the web pages (same order of information, same date
format, program's file size in KB etc. Any departure from the
standard increases the amount of work I have to do).
OK then.
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Kurt
Susan Bugher
2006-10-03 23:34:21 UTC
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Post by Kurt
OK then.
:)

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2006-10-04 00:10:24 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals. Discussion.
The clock is ticking. . .
Only a handful of programs descriptions have been submitted. . .

Your failure to plan ahead does not constitute a crisis for me. . .

nuff said? ;)

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Roger Johansson
2006-10-04 08:25:32 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
The clock is ticking. . .
Only a handful of programs descriptions have been submitted. . .
Do we have to write descriptions of old and well known programs like
Pixia and Opera browser as well as new and less known programs, or are
those old programs automatically nominated/described somehow?

It seems natural to me that the programs that were described last year
are automatically added this year so we can vote for them, but I am not
sure about how it works.

Please clarify the situation to us.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-04 14:07:20 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
It seems natural to me that the programs that were described last year
are automatically added this year so we can vote for them, but I am not
sure about how it works.
Please clarify the situation to us.
*** NO programs are added automatically. ***

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php
"Program descriptions must be posted for ALL candidate programs."

ALL description may need revision (the last check of *everything* in the
PL2007 description was done a year ago). Program versions change. Links
change. Ware types change. Supported OS change. etc. etc. etc.

*** The nominations list is NOT created automatically. ***

I can add several program descriptions every day. I can't add several
hundred program descriptions in ONE day.

October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals.
October 25 - October 31, 2006 - Program nominations and seconds.

The clock is ticking. . .
Only a handful of programs descriptions have been submitted. . .

Susan
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Roger Johansson
2006-10-04 14:23:45 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
*** NO programs are added automatically. ***
"Program descriptions must be posted for ALL candidate programs."
ALL description may need revision (the last check of *everything* in the
PL2007 description was done a year ago). Program versions change. Links
change. Ware types change. Supported OS change. etc. etc. etc.
*** The nominations list is NOT created automatically. ***
October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals.
Okay. This is going to be a lot of work.
Do you have some file, or web page, we can look in for the old program
descriptions?

I mean it would be easier to revise an old description than to write a
new one from scratch for all the programs which were described last
year.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-04 15:22:30 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by Susan Bugher
*** NO programs are added automatically. ***
"Program descriptions must be posted for ALL candidate programs."
ALL description may need revision (the last check of *everything* in the
PL2007 description was done a year ago). Program versions change. Links
change. Ware types change. Supported OS change. etc. etc. etc.
*** The nominations list is NOT created automatically. ***
October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals.
Okay. This is going to be a lot of work.
Do you have some file, or web page, we can look in for the old program
descriptions?
I mean it would be easier to revise an old description than to write a
new one from scratch for all the programs which were described last
year.
Yup. Much easier! and if a program was on the PL or listed for
nomination in the last several years there *IS* an existing description.
:) The most *recent* description is linked on the ACF pages. The brief
description on the ACF pages may be more up to date (if the program
name, home page, ware type etc. have changed since the PL description
was written).

Below is a repeat of the info that was in the first post in the Program
Description thread:

The most recent program description (if one exists) can be found by
going to the brief program descriptions on the ACF program information
pages and following the link that is shown there. Those descriptions
should be revised/updated as needed before you post them. Changes should
be noted. If no changes are required please note that too. (If there is
no existing program description you'll have to start from scratch. If
the program is not shown on the ACF program information pages include
the category and subcategory for the program.)
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php

see the Review Procedures web page for more information (the rules for
program eligibility etc.):
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Procedures.php

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Roger Johansson
2006-10-04 16:17:52 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Post by Roger Johansson
Do you have some file, or web page, we can look in for the old program
descriptions?
Below is a repeat of the info that was in the first post in the Program
Sorry for causing you extra work because did not read carefully enough.
(I read the first messages very carefully, but in this thread, not in
the descriptions thread.)
Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php
I looked for the description of Opera, and it has a link to a
description, but the link doesn't work fully, it took me to the right
file, where the descriptions are:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_programs.php#3087

but Opera has no entry there so it left me at the beginning of the web
page.
The description for Opera must have disappeared somehow.

Anyhow, I am happy I have found the descriptions page, that is the url
I need most:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_programs.php

The url http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php is also
very useful, to find a link to the program on the web.

I can only hope this information is of use to others beside me who have
missed the info earlier so I didn't take up your time only for my own
sake.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-04 17:05:04 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php
I looked for the description of Opera, and it has a link to a
description, but the link doesn't work fully, it took me to the right
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_programs.php#3087
hmmm. . . . that's the link below Opera - the link for SeaMonkey - and
it doesn't work properly because I changed SeaMonkey's ID number. The
program description page hasn't been updated since that happened.
I will revise. FWIW I think you may have found the ONlY program link
that doesn't work. ;)

Getting back to the problem at hand - Opera is here
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_INTERNET.php#2220-PW
and in the description column (desc) it links to the PL06 description
(the most *recent* description):
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2006/PL2006INTERNET.php#2220-PW
Post by Roger Johansson
I can only hope this information is of use to others beside me who have
missed the info earlier so I didn't take up your time only for my own
sake.
IMO reposts of that info are helpful. This has been the first. . . ;)

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miskairal
2006-10-04 21:10:40 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Okay. This is going to be a lot of work.
Exactly why I'm not doing it again this year. I don't have the time I
had last year. Good luck :)
Caesar Romano
2006-10-04 15:42:33 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
The clock is ticking. . .
Only a handful of programs descriptions have been submitted. . .
How many descriptions do you have so far?
Susan Bugher
2006-10-04 15:57:38 UTC
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Post by Caesar Romano
Post by Susan Bugher
The clock is ticking. . .
Only a handful of programs descriptions have been submitted. . .
How many descriptions do you have so far?
12 - See:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php


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John Fitzsimons
2006-10-05 07:30:31 UTC
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On 4 Oct 2006 01:25:32 -0700, "Roger Johansson" <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

< snip >
Post by Roger Johansson
It seems natural to me that the programs that were described last year
are automatically added this year so we can vote for them, but I am not
sure about how it works.
< snip >

Having to nominate programs that are already PL ones is a complete
waste of everyone's time. There are far too many to list individually.

It is easy enough to have two threads :

(1) Programs nominated that aren't already on the PL list.

(2) Programs currently on the PL list/or nominated that should now
be removed.

At a much later date if it turns out that some "new" winners add too
many in a category then a "final" vote could be done for that category
eg. "The following 7 newsreaders have been nominated.
Please list ONLY the ones you want to vote for. Maximum 3."

Regards, John.
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2006-10-05 14:18:41 UTC
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Post by John Fitzsimons
Having to nominate programs that are already PL ones is a complete
waste of everyone's time. There are far too many to list individually.
(1) Programs nominated that aren't already on the PL list.
(2) Programs currently on the PL list/or nominated that should now
be removed.
At a much later date if it turns out that some "new" winners add too
many in a category then a "final" vote could be done for that category
eg. "The following 7 newsreaders have been nominated.
Please list ONLY the ones you want to vote for. Maximum 3."
I'm not entirely clear on what you're suggesting but it sounds more
complicated than the present process. . .

We will have a single list for program nominations - with the same
format as the final ballot. Nominations and seconds are easy to make and
track when we do it that way.

ATM we're not *nominating* programs - we're creating a list of programs
that have *verified* program descriptions.

If a program is on PL2006 the first step is a copy and paste of the
PL2006 description. If revisions are needed they are noted. If no
changes are needed that is noted - as Whirled Peas did just now when he
posted the description for OpenOffice.org - "No changes made from 2006
listing."

How hard is that? ;)

dunno why more PL2006 programs haven't been posted - maybe people don't
want most PL2006 programs on PL2007. . .

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Phred
2006-10-05 15:09:27 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Post by John Fitzsimons
Having to nominate programs that are already PL ones is a complete
waste of everyone's time. There are far too many to list individually.
[snip]
Post by Susan Bugher
ATM we're not *nominating* programs - we're creating a list of programs
that have *verified* program descriptions.
If a program is on PL2006 the first step is a copy and paste of the
PL2006 description. If revisions are needed they are noted. If no
changes are needed that is noted - as Whirled Peas did just now when he
posted the description for OpenOffice.org - "No changes made from 2006
listing."
How hard is that? ;)
dunno why more PL2006 programs haven't been posted - maybe people don't
want most PL2006 programs on PL2007. . .
Maybe most people simply assume that they're already there, so why
bother again? Perhaps you haven't been emphatic enough in pointing
out that the previous listings need to be verified, if nothing else.
So in a way people are agreeing with John in practice.

I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.

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2006-10-05 15:46:25 UTC
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Post by Phred
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by John Fitzsimons
Having to nominate programs that are already PL ones is a complete
waste of everyone's time. There are far too many to list individually.
[snip]
Post by Susan Bugher
ATM we're not *nominating* programs - we're creating a list of programs
that have *verified* program descriptions.
If a program is on PL2006 the first step is a copy and paste of the
PL2006 description. If revisions are needed they are noted. If no
changes are needed that is noted - as Whirled Peas did just now when he
posted the description for OpenOffice.org - "No changes made from 2006
listing."
How hard is that? ;)
dunno why more PL2006 programs haven't been posted - maybe people don't
want most PL2006 programs on PL2007. . .
Maybe most people simply assume that they're already there, so why
bother again? Perhaps you haven't been emphatic enough in pointing
out that the previous listings need to be verified, if nothing else.
So in a way people are agreeing with John in practice.
dunno. . . maybe they're just waiting for George to do it. If that's
the case there's a good chance many apps won't be *eligible* for PL2007
- I need the descriptions now - not at the last minute. . .
Post by Phred
I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.
Yup - things do change. . .

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Roger Johansson
2006-10-05 15:48:33 UTC
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Post by Phred
Maybe most people simply assume that they're already there, so why
bother again? Perhaps you haven't been emphatic enough in pointing
out that the previous listings need to be verified, if nothing else.
So in a way people are agreeing with John in practice.
I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.
This makes me think about how it could be organized in a way that
simplifies this procedure. If we had a wiki with one program per page,
with a description at the top and some comments below, (discussions on
the discussion page that belong to each wiki page) it could be revised
continously during the year, so we can assume that all descriptions are
correct at voting time. Then we would not have to re-enter all programs
each year, just add new ones.

People who have no experience with wikis do not understand how that
could work, it would be so easy to vandalize any page, but it works
quite well in wikipedia and other wikis because there are people who
keep an eye on their favorite pages, and revert vandalism and fix
errors.

Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.

It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 19:15:40 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by Phred
Maybe most people simply assume that they're already there, so why
bother again? Perhaps you haven't been emphatic enough in pointing
out that the previous listings need to be verified, if nothing else.
So in a way people are agreeing with John in practice.
I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.
This makes me think about how it could be organized in a way that
simplifies this procedure. If we had a wiki with one program per page,
with a description at the top and some comments below, (discussions on
the discussion page that belong to each wiki page) it could be revised
continously during the year, so we can assume that all descriptions are
correct at voting time. Then we would not have to re-enter all programs
each year, just add new ones.
Roger, that's a brilliant idea!
Post by Roger Johansson
Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.
YES! and AFAIK 50 people can input program descriptions in our ACF wiki
at the same time -> no "one person can only do so much" bottleneck like
we have now. . .
Post by Roger Johansson
It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make this
kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going to try
a few things. . .

fingers crossed. . . ;)

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Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 19:47:59 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Roger, that's a brilliant idea!
Post by Roger Johansson
Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.
YES! and AFAIK 50 people can input program descriptions in our ACF wiki
at the same time -> no "one person can only do so much" bottleneck like
we have now. . .
Post by Roger Johansson
It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make this
kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going to try
a few things. . .
fingers crossed. . . ;)
hmmm. . .

I added (part of) Treepad's description to the wiki's page for Treepad:

http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/0790-PW

Then I tried bringing that into the program description web page (I
omitted the other descriptions temporarily). The results are visible here:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/P_programs.php

dunno if there's an easy way to get rid of the extra "stuff" PBwiki adds
to a web page - it might be time to move the wiki to the PWH web site.

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Craig
2006-10-05 20:19:53 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Post by Susan Bugher
Roger, that's a brilliant idea!
Post by Roger Johansson
Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.
YES! and AFAIK 50 people can input program descriptions in our ACF
wiki at the same time -> no "one person can only do so much"
bottleneck like we have now. . .
Post by Roger Johansson
It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make
this kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going
to try a few things. . .
fingers crossed. . . ;)
hmmm. . .
Then I tried bringing that into the program description web page (I
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/P_programs.php
dunno if there's an easy way to get rid of the extra "stuff" PBwiki adds
to a web page - it might be time to move the wiki to the PWH web site.
Susan
Susan;

I don't see any extra pb stuff. I uploaded a screen shot to flickr...
Loading Image...

Roger;

/Great/ idea! Y.a. win for democratization...

-Craig
Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 21:08:52 UTC
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Post by Craig
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by Susan Bugher
Roger, that's a brilliant idea!
Post by Roger Johansson
Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.
YES! and AFAIK 50 people can input program descriptions in our ACF
wiki at the same time -> no "one person can only do so much"
bottleneck like we have now. . .
Post by Roger Johansson
It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make
this kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going
to try a few things. . .
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/P_programs.php
dunno if there's an easy way to get rid of the extra "stuff" PBwiki
adds to a web page - it might be time to move the wiki to the PWH web
site.
I don't see any extra pb stuff. I uploaded a screen shot to flickr...
http://static.flickr.com/116/261689131_634b8d8d2e.jpg
See my later post - I figured out a way to get rid of it. :) I'm still
playing - hit the reload button button to see the latest version.

BTW - you get to that page from the links on the nominations page - that
hasn't changed. . .
Post by Craig
/Great/ idea! Y.a. win for democratization...
YES!

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Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 20:33:27 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Roger, that's a brilliant idea!
Post by Roger Johansson
Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.
YES! and AFAIK 50 people can input program descriptions in our ACF
wiki at the same time -> no "one person can only do so much"
bottleneck like we have now. . .
Post by Roger Johansson
It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make
this kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going
to try a few things. . .
fingers crossed. . . ;)
hmmm. . .
http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/0790-PW
Then I tried bringing that into the program description web page (I
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/P_programs.php
dunno if there's an easy way to get rid of the extra "stuff" PBwiki adds
to a web page - it might be time to move the wiki to the PWH web site.
Eureka! The solution is to upload an "HTML" page to the wiki site and
link to that: http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/f/0790-PW.htm

Now the Pricelessware page looks the way it should (at this point).

The contents of the "HTML" file are:

---------

Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English
Description: TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia are very intuitive, small yet
powerful personal database programs. They allow you to store all your
notes, emails, texts, hyperlinks, etc. into one or multiple databases.
With the look and feel of the familiar Windows explorer, editing,
storing, browsing, searching and retrieving your data can not be easier!
TreePad can be run directly from a floppy, if necessary, including data.
To find any article you previously created or imported, you can browse
the tree, in the same way as you browse directories/folders in the
Windows explorer. You can also use the internal search engine to find
any piece of information swiftly. While TreePad Asia supports
non-western/Asian fonts through the Windows IME system, TreePad Lite is
made for Western users.
Home page:
http://www.treepad.com/treepadfreeware/
download page TreePad Lite v 3.0 (2006-04-16) [ treepad.zip (864 KB)]
http://www.treepad.com/download
download page TreePad Asia v 2.9.4 [ treeasia.zip (465 KB)]
http://www.treepad.com/download
2006PL CD files: treepad.zip treeasia.zip
(desc. rev.: 2006-06-02)

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Roger Johansson
2006-10-05 20:53:47 UTC
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Eureka! The solution is to upload an "HTML" page to the wiki site and
link to that: http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/f/0790-PW.htm
This url becomes very unformatted in my browser. A tight block of text
which seems to lack any line breaks.

Maybe it would be better to add blank lines between sections in the
page and hope these blank lines keep the different sections separated
and make it look more structured.

Possibly each page could go through some processing, scripting, to add
blank lines between sections, or maybe between each line, to preserve
the structure in the original.

Or leave that task to the volunteers who are interested in the program
:-)

There should be a guideline or a master page which shows how the
description should be formatted to make a standard. If templates are
supported in the wiki the html pages could maybe be exported into a
template, or leave it up to the volunteers to make all descriptions
formatted similarly.

Getting the information into the wiki is the important first step,
that's good enough, if that can be done in an automated way.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 21:47:10 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Eureka! The solution is to upload an "HTML" page to the wiki site and
link to that: http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/f/0790-PW.htm
This url becomes very unformatted in my browser. A tight block of text
which seems to lack any line breaks.
Maybe it would be better to add blank lines between sections in the
page and hope these blank lines keep the different sections separated
and make it look more structured.
Hit the reload button. ;)

The columns on the program index page for "OS(Win)", OS(other), and
"DescRev" will be omitted. Otherwise the PL2007 web pages will look and
work the same as the PL2006 pages - with the possible exception of the
"body" of the program descriptions - the part *other* volunteers will
prepare.

Details to follow. . .

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Roger Johansson
2006-10-06 02:20:57 UTC
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Hit the reload button. ;)
Yes, beautiful.
Post by Susan Bugher
Details to follow. . .
Tell us what to do and how to do it, when you know how it should work.
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2006-10-06 02:56:05 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Details to follow. . .
Tell us what to do and how to do it, when you know how it should work.
I just did. :) I'm sure there will be questions. . .

Thank you again for the idea Roger. :)

When I retire as webmaster this should make it a *lot* easier to find
someone else to take over (and meanwhile I may last a little bit longer
in the job).

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Vic Dura
2006-10-05 21:18:16 UTC
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The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make this
kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going to try
a few things. . .
fingers crossed. . . ;)
Go for it Susan!

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Post by Susan Bugher
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make this
kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going to try
a few things. . .
I just learned how to login to the wiki for the first time, found the
password.

I look at the listing of all pages in the wiki, sorted by date, to see
the latest pages.

The 0790-PW page looks good, the formatting is good.
This wiki has not been used so much, the total number of pages is still
fairly low.

On the login page are instructions for how to create notes pages for
programs listed on the pricelesswarehome site. Not too difficult, not
too easy. It looks like it would be possible to use this solution, if
the participators accept to learn to handle the wiki instead of writing
descriptions in messages.
Post by Vic Dura
Go for it Susan!
I wonder if Susan can import the descriptions from the wiki to to the
PL site, if needed, to create the ISO listing, for example.
Some routines which were defined before would have to be changed. It's
up to Susan to decide if she can work with the wiki solution. Now or
later.
The wiki solution must fit into her routines in several ways to save
work for her instead of creating more work than before.
Post by Vic Dura
And thanks for the idea Roger!
Thanks.

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Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 23:57:31 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
The start of a new Pricelessware year is the *perfect* time to make this
kind of change and I think we might be able to do it - I'm going to try
a few things. . .
On the login page are instructions for how to create notes pages for
programs listed on the pricelesswarehome site. Not too difficult, not
too easy. It looks like it would be possible to use this solution, if
the participators accept to learn to handle the wiki instead of writing
descriptions in messages.
Wiiki pages do NOT work (as I said in an earlier message). If I try to
use a wiki page it brings in the *entire* page -> WYSIWYG. HTML pages DO
work (pbwiki does not add code to those pages).
Post by Roger Johansson
I wonder if Susan can import the descriptions from the wiki to to the
PL site, if needed, to create the ISO listing, for example.
I'm not sure what you mean by "ISO listing". . . I won't need to import
anything for the web pages. I don't put PHP files on the Pricelessware
CD. The online pages are downloaded with HTTRACK - everything that's
shown on the web pages is in the HTML web pages that are downloaded.

I will need a list of the files that are to be included on the CD - that
can be done in the wiki (by other volunteers). I haven't looked at the
web page that shows the list of files yet. Coordinating the files and
the web pages is a real PITA. . . having many people watching for last
minute changes in versions should help.

I uploaded more HTML files to the wiki. Go to the nominations page and
try the program descriptions links if you want to see the more or less
finished product (I haven't included the author and ware info).
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

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FirstName LastName
2006-10-06 12:06:40 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by Phred
Maybe most people simply assume that they're already there, so why
bother again? Perhaps you haven't been emphatic enough in pointing
out that the previous listings need to be verified, if nothing else.
So in a way people are agreeing with John in practice.
I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.
This makes me think about how it could be organized in a way that
simplifies this procedure. If we had a wiki with one program per page,
with a description at the top and some comments below, (discussions on
the discussion page that belong to each wiki page) it could be revised
continously during the year, so we can assume that all descriptions are
correct at voting time. Then we would not have to re-enter all programs
each year, just add new ones.
People who have no experience with wikis do not understand how that
could work, it would be so easy to vandalize any page, but it works
quite well in wikipedia and other wikis because there are people who
keep an eye on their favorite pages, and revert vandalism and fix
errors.
Such a wiki system could relieve Susan from a lot of work and
distribute the work among the participators better. Each participator
keeps an eye on his favorite program pages and makes sure the
information is updated and correct.
It is, of course, too late to change anything this year, but it is an
idea for the future.
We can do even better with MediaWiki
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki>
with the Semantic MediaWiki extension
<http://wiki.ontoworld.org/index.php/Main_Page> and
<http://wiki.ontoworld.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki>.

Imagine a free form database with dynamic searches
<http://wiki.ontoworld.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries>

Ex: <http://ontoworld.org/wiki/Python>

I'm already this myself. Using this combination to create a database of
software that I download and test and is fantastic and incredibly flexible.

For example: for this year listing we would create a page with the
following search

<ask>[[Release date:2007]] [[Category:Freeware]]</ask>

and the page would be populated with every application released in 2007
that is Freeware. No more retyping. Create *One Time* reuse *Everywhere*.

We can create this on Wikia <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia>.
Roger Johansson
2006-10-06 12:49:24 UTC
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Post by FirstName LastName
We can do even better with MediaWiki
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki>
with the Semantic MediaWiki extension
Imagine a free form database with dynamic searches
<http://wiki.ontoworld.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries>
I'm already this myself. Using this combination to create a database of
software that I download and test and is fantastic and incredibly flexible.
For example: for this year listing we would create a page with the
following search
<ask>[[Release date:2007]] [[Category:Freeware]]</ask>
and the page would be populated with every application released in 2007
that is Freeware. No more retyping. Create *One Time* reuse *Everywhere*.
We can create this on Wikia <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia>.
This sounds fairly easy to set up when you describe it with your
knowledge.

Could you set up a demo system of this type, so we can see how it would
work?

If you need database files containing for example last year's
descriptions I am sure you can get those files from Susan. As far as I
understand she uses a spreadsheet system as the basis for her work, and
spreadsheet files can probably be used as database files, with maybe
some conversion involved.

If you set up an alternative system in parallell to the one we are
trying to create on pbwiki we can then decide which system works best.

Personally I am worried about the account type we have on pbwiki, it
looks like everybody have admin/owner level rights, which means big
risks for the whole wiki.

I have set up a few wikis myself, and in those wikis there is a big
difference between owner level, admin level, users with limited rights,
and read-only rights for visitors.

The procedure for entering new pages in this pbwiki system we are now
contemplating is also very complicated, where authors must create html
files and upload them, instead of editing the wiki pages in a normal
manner.
And there are issues we have not investigated, for example if one
person uploads a html description, and then another person edits that
wiki page, does the format stay html or is it converted to wiki format?

It would be very valuable if you could set up an alternative system on
Wikia so we can see how it works. If it is as easy as you make it sound
it shouldn't require so much work :-)
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FirstName LastName
2006-10-06 15:01:50 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by FirstName LastName
We can do even better with MediaWiki
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki>
with the Semantic MediaWiki extension
Imagine a free form database with dynamic searches
<http://wiki.ontoworld.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries>
I'm already this myself. Using this combination to create a database of
software that I download and test and is fantastic and incredibly flexible.
For example: for this year listing we would create a page with the
following search
<ask>[[Release date:2007]] [[Category:Freeware]]</ask>
and the page would be populated with every application released in 2007
that is Freeware. No more retyping. Create *One Time* reuse *Everywhere*.
We can create this on Wikia <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Wikia>.
This sounds fairly easy to set up when you describe it with your
knowledge.
Could you set up a demo system of this type, so we can see how it would
work?
I'm not that knowledgeable. I've no experience managing web sites. My
experience refers only to setting up mediawiki based systems on my own
computer. This fairly easy.

To set up a demo system on wikia we need to know if they (wikia) allows
us to install the Semantic Mediawiki extension. This could be a starting
point <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Technical_support>
If this is possible, i would then create a few demo pages for you to see
if it's worth it.

If that's not possible we need a host with apache, mysql and php support.

If that's not possible someone could set up one with XAMPP.

As I've not programming experience I can't help importing the data in
automatic way.

We could set up different level rights and freeze pages so that they
cannot be hijacked.

It seems that you have more knowledge than me at setting up wikis and
web sites.
Roger Johansson
2006-10-06 15:46:12 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by FirstName LastName
We can do even better with MediaWiki
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki>
with the Semantic MediaWiki extension
Imagine a free form database with dynamic searches
<http://wiki.ontoworld.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries>
I'm already this myself. Using this combination to create a database of
software that I download and test and is fantastic and incredibly flexible.
If you can do that on your own computer you could probably set up such
a system on a server connected to internet, if we could find such a
server which gave you the space to do it.
Post by FirstName LastName
Post by Roger Johansson
Could you set up a demo system of this type, so we can see how it would
work?
I'm not that knowledgeable. I've no experience managing web sites. My
experience refers only to setting up mediawiki based systems on my own
computer. This fairly easy.
I once set up a local mediawiki system on my computer, with an sql
server, and a mediawiki system. But I don't know anything about using a
database connected to a wiki and what is really possible, I just tested
using it as a simple wiki system such as wikipedia.
Post by FirstName LastName
To set up a demo system on wikia we need to know if they (wikia) allows
us to install the Semantic Mediawiki extension. This could be a starting
point <http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Technical_support>
If this is possible, i would then create a few demo pages for you to see
if it's worth it.
If that's not possible we need a host with apache, mysql and php support.
If that's not possible someone could set up one with XAMPP.
Several alternatives, obviously. Do we know somebody who can satisfy
any of these requirements? (question to the newsgroup)
But, you know, such a system must be able to connect easily with the
system we already have at the pricelessware site. We cannot start over
from scratch, there are years of old data which need to be incorporated
into any new solution.
Post by FirstName LastName
As I've not programming experience I can't help importing the data in
automatic way.
We could set up different level rights and freeze pages so that they
cannot be hijacked.
Yes, a mediawiki system could probably be much safer and if it was
connected so we could import and export to database files it could be a
much better solution.

But I guess we will have to do the best we can with the resources we
actually have already, Susan's spreadsheet files, a newsgroup and a
pbwiki system.
Post by FirstName LastName
It seems that you have more knowledge than me at setting up wikis and
web sites.
I have only set up a few wikis at free wiki space sites, so I have some
experience in using mediawiki and gebo-gebo systems. I have no
experience with the pbwiki system other than what I have found out
during the last 24 hours.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 19:01:07 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
But I guess we will have to do the best we can with the resources we
actually have already, Susan's spreadsheet files, a newsgroup and a
pbwiki system.
The program data in the spreadsheets is clean (no HTML coding) and
portable. If someone wants try something new I'll be happy to furnish
the data.

Susan
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John Fitzsimons
2006-10-05 23:42:08 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:09:27 GMT, ***@yahoo.com (Phred)
wrote:

< snip >
Post by Phred
I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links
That's what link checkers are for. It is far faster than people going
through items one by one.
Post by Phred
and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.
Once a link check has been done then a list of existing programs could
be made. One program per line.

Application 1.
Application 2.
Application 3.

Then people here could check one, or more, in the list. Resulting
in...

Application 1. Done.
Application 2.
Application 3. Done.

Where everything is correct "as is" (Done) or with the new info.
Everything without either goes to a final list. This would then guide
everyone to the "unfinished business".

Regards, John.
Anonyma
2006-10-06 00:52:50 UTC
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Post by John Fitzsimons
That's what link checkers are for. It is far faster than people going
through items one by one.
If it's to easy then Susan can't play the victim. If it's to easy then Susan can't play the dumb blonde. If it's to easy then the Cult Of Susan won't have anything to talk about at the meetings.
Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 18:34:33 UTC
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Post by John Fitzsimons
< snip >
Post by Phred
I tend to agree with you, Susie, that the old ones do need to be
checked out to confirm links
That's what link checkers are for. It is far faster than people going
through items one by one.
Post by Phred
and such, and to be sure they haven't
dropped off the twig or been upgraded or whatever in the past year.
Once a link check has been done then a list of existing programs could
be made. One program per line.
Made by who?
Post by John Fitzsimons
Application 1.
Application 2.
Application 3.
Then people here could check one, or more, in the list. Resulting
in...
What people?
Post by John Fitzsimons
Application 1. Done.
Application 2.
Application 3. Done.
Where everything is correct "as is" (Done) or with the new info.
Everything without either goes to a final list. This would then guide
everyone to the "unfinished business".
Your post reminds me of the story about belling the cat. All the mice
thought it was a great idea. . .

None of them were willing to do it. ;)

Susan
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John Fitzsimons
2006-10-07 06:18:10 UTC
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< snip >
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by John Fitzsimons
Once a link check has been done then a list of existing programs could
be made. One program per line.
Made by who?
You have previously done a list of PL programs. Did you lose it ?
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by John Fitzsimons
Application 1.
Application 2.
Application 3.
Then people here could check one, or more, in the list. Resulting
in...
What people?
Start at the beginning of the above sentence and stop before you reach
the fourth word.

< snip >

Regards, John.
Roger Johansson
2006-10-07 09:09:32 UTC
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Post by John Fitzsimons
You have previously done a list of PL programs. Did you lose it ?
We have also read the msg from spoon2001 in the other thread:

"One has to find the instructions, read and comprehend them. One has
to find
the existing program description on the ACF website, and then submit
any
required changes. A lot of cross-referencing is required. A lot of
searching is required to fill in the fields of the Program Description.

Most people just aren't going to jump through these hoops. The process
has
to be simplified somehow, to induce people to participate."

And I agree. The ambition level has maybe been raised a bit too high.
I think we should be able to nominate programs just by name, if the
program is well known, for example "Opera, web browser".
Maybe others can reply to that message and both add the url, license
and support the nomination, if needed.

We can continue with this system of newsgroup messages and maybe lower
the requirements for an entry. A message with only the words "Opera,
opera.com" would be accepted.
But that leaves Susan in the position of having to copy info from
newsgroup messages.
It works as long as she wants to do all that work and maybe also
research the info needed to complete the description.

The question is if we can find a way to automate the process, make the
other participators do more of the work needed to uphold this standard
to relieve Susan of all the work she is doing now. Or lower the
standard, maybe wait with complete descriptions until a later stage.
Maybe use the descriptions from the last year unless somebody points
out something that needs changing, and he asks Susan to change it and
she does the work.

Again the problem is that we cannot easily go into the pricelessware
web site and change descriptions, like we could if we had a wiki
system.

Automatically accept the descriptions of all programs from last year ?

The wiki idea would have been great if we could really have used it as
a wiki, like read and add a page without logging in, and Susan could
have imported that automatically somehow.

A wiki that works like wikipedia is easy to use, and the first person
can write only the program name and an url, another reader adds some
other info, and by time it would grow and become more and more
complete.

But that only works if we find a wiki which uses html formatted pages,
or if Susan can import data from a wiki page as it is.

Maybe it could be imported from any wiki system if we decide on a
standard, like write the program name on a line beginning with certain
keywords:

Program name: Opera
URL: opera.com
Description: Web browser.

Maybe that could be imported even if it is not in html format?
Some people who know scripting could help by giving Susan a script that
finds and imports the info from any kind of wiki page.

Find text line that begins with "Program name", import the words after
the : character.
Etc..

A wiki system would also have the advantage that it continues to work
if/when Susan gets tired of this work. Once set up it would remain.
Backed up it can be restored at a new wiki with the same system, and
mediawiki is the most common wiki system.
Many of us already know how to handle the system at wikipedia.

A web site like the pricelessware site must be maintained by a certain
person, or a few, who knows the password and can handle the html format
and everything else a web site maintainer needs to know and handle.
A wiki site is a lot easier to maintain by a big group of volunteers,
anybody who wants to contribute can do it easily.

In the longer perspective I still think that a wiki is a good idea, but
we have to take our time, find a good way of incorporating a wiki in
the process, a wiki that in the longer run can take over more of the
work. I doubt that the pbwiki system is the most suitable wiki system,
but that is what we have right now.

So I think we should continue as before, accept more or less complete
descriptions in the newsgroup, and the pages uploaded to the wiki, and
I suggest that we should use the description for a program from last
year if no new description has arrived.

Loosen up on the formalities, this is no united nations security
council session, we are just voting for the best freeware programs in
each category.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-07 13:11:43 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Most people just aren't going to jump through these hoops. The process
has
to be simplified somehow, to induce people to participate."
And I agree. The ambition level has maybe been raised a bit too high.
I think we should be able to nominate programs just by name, if the
program is well known, for example "Opera, web browser".
Maybe others can reply to that message and both add the url, license
and support the nomination, if needed.
The PROCESS has been simplified. Very little information is required to
place a program on the nominations list.

----------

To submit the brief program description post the program name and the
link to the brief description of a program that's on the ACF Program
Index page (that list includes all PL2006 programs)
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php

If you want to submit a program that is NOT on the list - post this
information:

Program name:
Company name:
Author name:
Ware description:
URL:

Program descriptions should be posted in this thread:
[PL] PL2007 Program Descriptions:

------------
Post by Roger Johansson
We can continue with this system of newsgroup messages and maybe lower
the requirements for an entry. A message with only the words "Opera,
opera.com" would be accepted.
But that leaves Susan in the position of having to copy info from
newsgroup messages.
I'll continue to do that.
Post by Roger Johansson
It works as long as she wants to do all that work and maybe also
research the info needed to complete the description.
Listen up. . .

I will NOT do the program descriptions. I said that this year, I said it
when we began the PL2004 selection process, the PL2005 selection process
and the PL2006 process. . .

The message keeps falling on deaf ears. . .

Susan
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2006-10-07 13:36:47 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
The PROCESS has been simplified.
We the people disagree.
Post by Susan Bugher
I will NOT do the program descriptions.
Yes you will.
Post by Susan Bugher
The message keeps falling on deaf ears. . .
Beacuse no one wants to hear what you have to say. No one cares what you have to say.


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Roger Johansson
2006-10-07 13:39:18 UTC
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Opera
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_INTERNET.php#2220-PW

Web browser
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-07 14:23:22 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
I will NOT do the program descriptions. I said that this year, I said it
when we began the PL2004 selection process, the PL2005 selection process
and the PL2006 process. . .
This is what I DO volunteer to do re PL2007;

1.list the programs that are eligible for nomination To do that I need
this information:
a. category
b. subcategory
c. program name
d. company
e. author's name
f. ware description

2.count the nominations and seconds.
3. create the PL ballot and the PL ware ballot
4. count the votes to determine the winners (subject to final discussion)
6. prepare Pricelessware web pages with the following information:
a. category
b. subcategory
c. program name
d. company
e. author's name
f. ware description

g. OTHER INFORMATION - IF AVAILABLE

I have created the web pages for PL2003, PL2004, PL2005 and PL2006. I'm
more than ready to turn the job over to someone else. Are there any
volunteers?

If not then we should discuss WHAT should be done by others re "other
information". IOW are full descriptions necessary or optional?

Susan
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Roger Johansson
2006-10-07 14:37:41 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
The PROCESS has been simplified. Very little information is required to
place a program on the nominations list.
To submit the brief program description post the program name and the
link to the brief description of a program that's on the ACF Program
Index page (that list includes all PL2006 programs)
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php
I just posted a description of Opera, trying to do it according to this
simplified way.
If that is okay I can continue with the other few programs I would like
to make sure are described for nomination. This way is easy, if that is
all that is needed.

I think more participators will add programs if they see how easy it
can be.
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by Roger Johansson
We can continue with this system of newsgroup messages and maybe lower
the requirements for an entry. A message with only the words "Opera,
opera.com" would be accepted.
But that leaves Susan in the position of having to copy info from
newsgroup messages.
I'll continue to do that.
Post by Roger Johansson
It works as long as she wants to do all that work and maybe also
research the info needed to complete the description.
Listen up. . .
I will NOT do the program descriptions. I said that this year, I said it
when we began the PL2004 selection process, the PL2005 selection process
and the PL2006 process. . .
The message keeps falling on deaf ears. . .
I hope you don't mind that I am (and others are) trying to find a
better way to work which would allow many participators to help out in
keeping program descriptions updated.

The games people want to create a games section of pricelessware, and I
hope they realize that it is too much work for one web site maintainer
to do all the work, no matter if they set up a new web site or it is
placed on the same site as the current PL site.

If we do the program descriptions in a wiki instead, and take that load
of work off the web site maintainer it could allow us to update the
descriptions continuously during the whole year, and we wouldn't have
to worry about that when it is time to vote.

We could nominate programs with only the name and a link to the program
page in the wiki.

I am not sure the pbwiki system is the best to use for the future,
maybe we should think about the possibilities to set up a new wiki for
program descriptions which would work like wikipedia, which uses the
most common wiki system wikimedia, and most of us are already familiar
with how such a system works.

Maybe we should start a new thread about how we could reform the way it
works, or maybe it is okay to continue this discussion here in the
program discussion thread.
I don't know, what do others think?
Very few are involved in the discussion, that is positive in one way,
it doesn't take much place, it is negative in the way that it would be
nice if more people were interested.

It's like the world in general, most people don't have time or energy
for any reforms, they want everything to continue as before. :-)
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-07 15:11:38 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
I just posted a description of Opera, trying to do it according to this
simplified way.
If that is okay I can continue with the other few programs I would like
to make sure are described for nomination. This way is easy, if that is
all that is needed.
That was fine. :) I've already added Opera to the Nominations List -
you'll see it the next time I upload revised web pages.
Post by Roger Johansson
I hope you don't mind that I am (and others are) trying to find a
better way to work which would allow many participators to help out in
keeping program descriptions updated.
I'm delighted. :)
Post by Roger Johansson
I am not sure the pbwiki system is the best to use for the future,
maybe we should think about the possibilities to set up a new wiki for
program descriptions which would work like wikipedia, which uses the
most common wiki system wikimedia, and most of us are already familiar
with how such a system works.
The PHP pages can incorporate HTNL pages (as you already know). I don't
know if I can incorporate any and all wiki pages into the Pricelessware
pages (the coding used in the wiki might be a problem) - but for sure I
could show a link to a wiki page that has the program description.
Post by Roger Johansson
Maybe we should start a new thread about how we could reform the way it
works, or maybe it is okay to continue this discussion here in the
program discussion thread.
I don't know, what do others think?
IMO the big question ATM is whether or not a program description is
going to be *required*. If it is we need a deadline for the descriptions
- otherwise programs may be selected for the PL and then have to be
removed.

Susan
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-07 12:41:04 UTC
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Post by John Fitzsimons
< snip >
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by John Fitzsimons
Once a link check has been done then a list of existing programs could
be made. One program per line.
Made by who?
You have previously done a list of PL programs. Did you lose it ?
Post by Susan Bugher
Post by John Fitzsimons
Application 1.
Application 2.
Application 3.
Then people here could check one, or more, in the list. Resulting
in...
What people?
Start at the beginning of the above sentence and stop before you reach
the fourth word.
< snip >
IOW you're saying *I* should do the work.
I decline.

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2006-10-07 13:52:01 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
IOW you're saying *I* should do the work.
You're the one that staged a coup here. You're the one lied and cheated her way to the top. You're the one that wanted to be Queen of ACF. You're the one that has to deal with the duties that come with the office. You don't like it? Then step down.


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Post by Susan Bugher
IOW you're saying *I* should do the work.
You're the one that staged a coup here. You're the one lied and cheated her way to the top. You're the one that wanted to be Queen of ACF. You're the one that has to deal with the duties that come with the office. You don't like it? Then step down.
How about you use a real name and address, cowardly lick spittle lackey
of the running dog capitalists!
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Daniel Mandic
2006-10-07 16:03:55 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
You're the one that staged a coup here. You're the one lied and
cheated her way to the top. You're the one that wanted to be Queen of
ACF. You're the one that has to deal with the duties that come with
the office. You don't like it? Then step down.
My dear, take a stool or something where you can step up and look Susan
straight to the eyes.


Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

Whirled Peas
2006-10-04 02:57:03 UTC
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For discussion
NOTE: Very little change from 2004 PL listing

Company: Vim
Author: Bram Moolenaar

(Charity-Ware*) Open-Source, custom GPL-compatible license

Category: Text
Sub-Category: Editor-Programming

OS: Windows 3x/9x/ME/NT/2000/XP, MS-DOS, Unix/Linux, Amiga, OS/2, Macintosh

Languages: English

Description: Vim is a highly configurable text editor built to enable
efficient text editing. It is an improved version of the vi editor
distributed with most UNIX systems.

Home page: http://www.vim.org/index.php
Download page v 7.0 http://www.vim.org/download.php - NOTE: Vim is
included in most Linux distributions.

*Charity-Ware - From Vim's website: Vim is charityware. Its license is
GPL-compatible, so it's distributed freely, but we ask that if you find it
useful you make a donation to help children in Uganda through the ICCF.
The full license text can be found in the documentation. More information
about charityware on Charity-ware.org.
Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 02:14:52 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

NetMeter (was Haim's Net Meter)
Company: NetMeter Author: Haim Gelfenbeyn
(Betaware) (Donationware) (free) an older non-beta version is also available
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP NOTES: No installation required.
Languages: English
Description: NetMeter is a small, customizable network bandwidth
monitoring program. COMMENTS:A perfect download looks like a solid red
rectangle moving to the left. Pauses or disturbances in the transmission
or low speeds are easy to see. Netmeter can be customized in many ways.
The title line and text line can be disabled leaving only a rectangle
diagram. The possible top speed of your connection can be set to be at
the top of the diagram. The graph window can be dimensioned and moved
easily to any size, shape and position. Rightclicking on the tray icon
shows a menu with functions like options and statistics for daily,
weekly and monthly up and download numbers.
Home Page: download v 0.9.9.9 (beta 2) (2004-03-04) [
NetMeter_v0999beta2.exe (602 KB)]
http://readerror.gmxhome.de/
Buzzy's review:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/netmeter.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-04)
Roger Johansson
2006-10-05 08:31:36 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php
NetMeter (was Haim's Net Meter)
Company: NetMeter Author: Haim Gelfenbeyn
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/netmeter.html
Thanks, Susan.

I just tested the link to Buzzy's review, it doesn't work, 404, file
not found.

Aha, looking for better reviews of Netmeter I found Buzzy's newer site,
with a long review of Netmeter and many screenshots:

http://www.buzzys.net/netmeter.html

I suggest you replace the old, nonworking link with this one.

The only thing I miss in Buzzy's review is a screenshot of Netmeter
without the title line and text line below, with just the graph window,
which is my favorite configuration.
If you fix the top speed of the graph to the highest speed possible in
your internet connection (in the settings of Netmeter) you can easily
see how fast a transfer is relative to your top speed without having a
text line below the graph.
--
Roger J.
Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 14:45:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Johansson
Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php
NetMeter (was Haim's Net Meter)
Company: NetMeter Author: Haim Gelfenbeyn
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/netmeter.html
I just tested the link to Buzzy's review, it doesn't work, 404, file
not found.
Aha, looking for better reviews of Netmeter I found Buzzy's newer site,
http://www.buzzys.net/netmeter.html
I suggest you replace the old, nonworking link with this one.
Yikes! That's a good "horrible example" of why we need two set of eyes
on the program descriptions. I've revised the link (new web pages to
follow).

Susan
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 02:15:46 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

vim
Company: Vim Author: Bram Moolenaar
(Requestware) (free) (open source: CharityWare (a GPL-compatible license))
Windows OS: Windows 3x/95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP NOTES: also MS-DOS
Other OS: Macintosh; Linux; Unix
Languages: English
Description: Vim is a highly configurable text editor built to enable
efficient text editing. It is an improved version of the vi editor
distributed with most UNIX systems.
Home page:
http://www.vim.org/
download page v 7.0 (2006-05-08) [ gvim70.exe (7973 KB) Win
95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP]
http://www.vim.org/download.php
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-04)
Kurt
2006-10-05 10:17:02 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php
vim
Company: Vim Author: Bram Moolenaar
(Requestware) (free) (open source: CharityWare (a GPL-compatible
license)) Windows OS: Windows 3x/95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP NOTES: also
MS-DOS Other OS: Macintosh; Linux; Unix
Languages: English
Description: Vim is a highly configurable text editor built to
enable efficient text editing. It is an improved version of the vi
editor distributed with most UNIX systems.
Comments: for a detailed description (in six kilobites) of Vim's
capabilities see http://www.vim.org/6k/features.en.txt
Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.vim.org/
download page v 7.0 (2006-05-08) [ gvim70.exe (7973 KB) Win
95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP]
http://www.vim.org/download.php
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-04)
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Cheers,
Kurt
Susan Bugher
2006-10-05 02:20:11 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia
Company: -- Author: Henk Hagedoorn
(Liteware) (free)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English
Description: TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia are very intuitive, small yet
powerful personal database programs. They allow you to store all your
notes, emails, texts, hyperlinks, etc. into one or multiple databases.
With the look and feel of the familiar Windows explorer, editing,
storing, browsing, searching and retrieving your data can not be easier!
TreePad can be run directly from a floppy, if necessary, including data.
To find any article you previously created or imported, you can browse
the tree, in the same way as you browse directories/folders in the
Windows explorer. You can also use the internal search engine to find
any piece of information swiftly. While TreePad Asia supports
non-western/Asian fonts through the Windows IME system, TreePad Lite is
made for Western users.
Home page:
http://www.treepad.com/treepadfreeware/
download page TreePad Lite v 3.0 (2006-04-15) [ treepad.zip (864 KB)]
http://www.treepad.com/download
download page TreePad Asia v 3.0 (2006-06-17) [ treeasia.zip (862 KB)]
http://www.treepad.com/download
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-04)

I just discovered TreePad Asia was updated in June.

I love Treepad. :) :) :)


Susan
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 01:21:25 UTC
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See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php

Posted for discussion:

OpenOffice.org
Company: OpenOffice.org Author: --
(Donationware) (free) (open source; GNU LGPL)
Windows OS: Windows
Other OS: Mac OS X; Linux; Unix
Languages: English and many other languages (support for complex text
layout (CTL) languages (such as Thai; Hindi; Arabic; and Hebrew) and
vertical writing languages)
Description: With OpenOffice.org you can create dynamic documents,
analyse data, design eye-catching presentations, produce dramatic
illustrations, and open up your databases. You can publish your work in
Portable Document Format (.pdf), and release your graphics in Flash
(.swf) format. If you're used to using other office suites - you'll be
completely at home with OpenOffice.org 1.1. You can continue to use your
old Microsoft Office files and if you need to exchange files with people
still using Microsoft Office, that's no problem either. Components:
WRITER Is a powerful tool for creating professional documents, reports,
newsletters, and brochures. You can easily integrate images and charts
in documents, create everything from business letters to complete books
with professional layouts, as well as create and publish Web content.
CALC is a spreadsheet which can calculate, analyse, and visually
communicate your data quickly and easily. Use advanced spreadsheet
functions and decision-making tools to perform sophisticated data
analysis. Use built-in charting tools to generate impressive 2D and 3D
charts. IMPRESS creates multimedia presentations which will truly stand
out with special effects, animation and high-impact drawing tools. DRAW
will produce everything from simple diagrams to dynamic 3D illustrations
and special effects. The Database User Tools give you all the tools you
need for day to day database work in a simple spreadsheet-like form.
They support dBASE databases for simple applications, or any ODBC or
JDBC compliant database for industrial strength database work.
Home page:
http://www.openoffice.org
download page v 2.0.3 (2006-06-26) [ OOo_2.0.3_Win32Intel_install.exe
(94524 KB) Windows (English)] [ OOo_2.0.3_Win32Intel_install_wJRE.exe
(110148 KB) Windows (English)]
http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.3/index.html
alternate download page
http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.3/index-nojs.html
(desc. rev.: 2006-09-11)
Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 02:38:48 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
[PL] PL2007 Discussion: General Discussion
October 1 - October 24, 2006 - Program description submittals. Discussion.
Starting now we're going to use a different method for program
description submittals. A program description will have two parts - the
*body* of the description will be uploaded as an HTML file to the ACF
wiki by the person who submits the program description. (That HTML file
will be called by PHP scripting in the Pricelessware files and shown on
the Pricelessware web pages in the same place we display that
information now.)

Existing descriptions can be cut and pasted into the HTML files - look
at the page source (PL2006 pages or the ACF descriptions page) and copy
the part of the description you need.

The nominations "description" page has already been recoded to call the
HTML files it needs and the files have been uploaded to the wiki. See:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/P_programs.php
As new program descriptions are submitted the PHP file will be revised
to include the names of the new HTML files. If they exist the web page
will show them.

This is part one of a typical program description:

-------------

TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia
Company: -- Author: Henk Hagedoorn
(Liteware) (free)

--------------

All the information in part one is shown on the ACF web pages (if the
program is one of the 4200+ programs that are listed). If you agree with
the description on the ACF page all you need to post in the PL2007
program description thread is the name of the program and the link to
its brief description. That link is shown on the Program Index page.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php
If the program is not listed on the ACF pages you will need to furnish
the ACF description information.

This is part two of a typical program description (the part that is
uploaded to the wiki).

---------------

Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP
Other OS: Linux
Languages: English
Description: TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia are very intuitive, small yet
powerful personal database programs. They allow you to store all your
notes, emails, texts, hyperlinks, etc. into one or multiple databases.
With the look and feel of the familiar Windows explorer, editing,
storing, browsing, searching and retrieving your data can not be easier!
TreePad can be run directly from a floppy, if necessary, including data.
To find any article you previously created or imported, you can browse
the tree, in the same way as you browse directories/folders in the
Windows explorer. You can also use the internal search engine to find
any piece of information swiftly. While TreePad Asia supports
non-western/Asian fonts through the Windows IME system, TreePad Lite is
made for Western users.
Home page:
http://www.treepad.com/treepadfreeware/
download page TreePad Lite v 3.0 (2006-04-15) [ treepad.zip (864 KB)]
http://www.treepad.com/download
download page TreePad Asia v 3.0 (2006-06-17) [ treeasia.zip (862 KB)]
http://www.treepad.com/download
(desc. rev.: 2006-10-04)

------------------

The link to Treepad's description is:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ORGANIZERS.php#0790-PW

The part after the # sign is the program's ID number. The HTML file
that's uploaded to the wiki must use the program's ID in the name =>
Treepad's wiki file is named "0790-PW.htm"

Questions? Comments?

Susan
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Roger Johansson
2006-10-06 10:32:13 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
Starting now we're going to use a different method for program
description submittals. A program description will have two parts - the
*body* of the description will be uploaded as an HTML file to the ACF
wiki by the person who submits the program description. (That HTML file
will be called by PHP scripting in the Pricelessware files and shown on
the Pricelessware web pages in the same place we display that
information now.)
Existing descriptions can be cut and pasted into the HTML files - look
Into an editor which can export the text as html file, like Abiword?
Post by Susan Bugher
at the page source (PL2006 pages or the ACF descriptions page) and copy
the part of the description you need.
The nominations "description" page has already been recoded to call the
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/P_programs.php
As new program descriptions are submitted the PHP file will be revised
to include the names of the new HTML files. If they exist the web page
will show them.
If they exist means if they have been uploaded to the wiki, I guess.
Post by Susan Bugher
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ORGANIZERS.php#0790-PW
The part after the # sign is the program's ID number. The HTML file
that's uploaded to the wiki must use the program's ID in the name =>
Treepad's wiki file is named "0790-PW.htm"
Questions? Comments?
We cannot use the composition window in the wiki to create a
description, instead we should use a program like Abiword and export
the description text as a html file.(?)

I just tried copying and pasting the description of Treepad above into
Abiword, as if I had written it myself, and then exported it as a html
file.

I had several choices to make about the format, html 4.01 or xhtml,
etc..

The resulting html file looked like the text I copied. But it contained
a lot of font settings and such which depend on how I have set my
programs.
If we do not have detailed specifications of the html file we will end
up with hundreds of different types of html files, fonts, colors,
embedded css, etc..

The procedure for creating descriptions is a bit unclear.
I tried something like this:

Start by looking at
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php
if the program is present there, follow the link into
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ORGANIZERS.php#0790-PW
for example (for Treepad), try the notes link to see if somebody has
already
submitted a description.

If not you have to create a html file with a file description.
Give it a carefully crafted file name, with the right number and
according to the naming standard for such files. This is not easy.

Log into the wiki, using the password you can find somewhere.
Upload the html file you have created.

Weaknesses with this system:

It is a rather complicated procedure.
The one who is writing a descr must be able to create html files.
The html files from different people can look very different.

The password to the wiki seems to be the admin password, so anybody who
has it can change the whole wiki in significant ways, like change the
skin, delete pages en masse, or delete the whole wiki(?) This wiki
account type seems to be a bit unsafe.

Well, those are only a few reflections, comments, questions, which show
up in my head.
I have probably misunderstood some or not fully understood some.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 16:53:20 UTC
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Roger Johansson wrote:

Strengths of this method:

The group can decide whether or not to change the PL rule requiring full
program descriptions. The 2007 Pricelessware List can have full
descriptions or brief descriptions or a mixture of the two. That
decision does not have to be made today. I only need a the *brief*
description to place a program on the nominations list and create the
PL2007 web pages.
Post by Roger Johansson
It is a rather complicated procedure.
ISTM that's pretty much a moot point so far - to date only a few
descriptions have been posted.
Post by Roger Johansson
The one who is writing a descr must be able to create html files.
The HTML files are very simple text files. Existing descriptions can be
cut and pasted from the source code and revised as needed. Look at the
HTML files I've uploaded to the wiki if you want examples to follow.
Post by Roger Johansson
The html files from different people can look very different.
It's true that this method is more flexible.- the descriptions can be
different in appearance.


Susan
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Roger Johansson
2006-10-06 17:12:33 UTC
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Post by Susan Bugher
The group can decide whether or not to change the PL rule requiring full
program descriptions. The 2007 Pricelessware List can have full
descriptions or brief descriptions or a mixture of the two. That
decision does not have to be made today. I only need a the *brief*
description to place a program on the nominations list and create the
PL2007 web pages.
I thought about that earlier too, we actually need full descriptions
only for the winners, so we could complete the descriptions after the
voting.
On the other hand, it is nice to have updated descriptions so we can
look up reviews that actually exist, for example, before the votings.
Post by Susan Bugher
The HTML files are very simple text files. Existing descriptions can be
cut and pasted from the source code and revised as needed. Look at the
HTML files I've uploaded to the wiki if you want examples to follow.
Yes, we need some kind of template, so we can write the descriptions in
simple text editors, but save them as html.
Using a program like Abiword added so much unnecessary stuff in the
html file.
Publishing a template in the newsgroup could help.

One problem is naming the html files correctly before upload.

"The link to Treepad's description is:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ORGANIZERS.php#0790-PW

The part after the # sign is the program's ID number. The HTML file
that's uploaded to the wiki must use the program's ID in the name =>
Treepad's wiki file is named "0790-PW.htm""

How to name a program which does not already have an ID number?

How to upload, what is the url of the upload page, how to log in to the
wiki so you can upload, what is the password?

I think we need a detailed how-to explanation to such questions before
more people start uploading descriptions in this way.
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Susan Bugher
2006-10-06 17:47:23 UTC
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Post by Roger Johansson
Post by Susan Bugher
The group can decide whether or not to change the PL rule requiring full
program descriptions. The 2007 Pricelessware List can have full
descriptions or brief descriptions or a mixture of the two. That
decision does not have to be made today. I only need a the *brief*
description to place a program on the nominations list and create the
PL2007 web pages.
I thought about that earlier too, we actually need full descriptions
only for the winners, so we could complete the descriptions after the
voting.
Sure - are you volunteering to do that or are you planning to hold
someone else's feet to the fire or should we just remove any programs
that don't have full descriptions by some specified date?
Post by Roger Johansson
On the other hand, it is nice to have updated descriptions so we can
look up reviews that actually exist, for example, before the votings.
I agree. :) It's nice to know what we're voting for. . .
Post by Roger Johansson
How to name a program which does not already have an ID number?
if you want to submit a program that is NOT on the list - post this
information:

Program name:
Company name:
Author name:
Ware description:
URL:

I will assign an ID number to the new program. When I've done that and
posted the info you can name and upload the HTML file.
Post by Roger Johansson
I think we need a detailed how-to explanation to such questions before
more people start uploading descriptions in this way.
That's a lot of work. (Where have I heard that before?) IOW so far I
don't see a *need* for detailed instructions. . . . ;)

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