Tutorial for the EASIEST (maybe only?) way to install a problematic legacy printer such as the HP LaserJet 2100 on Windows 10 current versions

Tutorial for the *EASIEST* (maybe only?) way to install a problematic
legacy printer such as the HP LaserJet 2100 on current Windows 10.

*******************************************************************
How to install the HP LaserJet 2100tn on Windows 10 in 2019
*******************************************************************
Please improve so that everyone benefits from your actions.

Note that the procedure outlined below will be the same for other legacy
printers which also do not have current Windows & manufacturer drivers, and
which also don't have updates on the specific Printer Windows Update
mechanism.

NOTE what will NOT work:
o The HP web site does NOT have the printer driver.
o The default Microsoft Windows 10 can not find the printer driver.
o The special printer-based Windows 10 Update does not find it either.
o This is the _best_ known method of installing the legacy printer driver!
o Note that you can _build_ your own printer driver (but that's crazy)
(If you know of any other working method - please advise.)
===================================================================
WARNING: If you try the "normal" method of installing some legacy
printers (such as the Hewlett Packard LaserJet 2100), you will fail.
===================================================================
This is the _only_ known way that _still_ works, in 2019 anyway.
(Get & archive your legacy printer CAB files while you still can.)
===================================================================
First, _try_ to get Windows to install the printer driver on its own.
(You will fail.)

Then, _try_ to use the special printer-based "windows 10 update" process.
(You will fail.)

Then _try_ to find the legacy printer drivers on the HP web site.
(You will fail.)
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-series/25469/model/14918>

Then, obtain & archive the all-important legacy printer CAB file from:
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx>

You _can_ attempt to build your own HP Printer Driver from the
"HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit" located here (but that's crazy).
<https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-22/PARK-v1.8.6.zip>
===================================================================
After all else fails, the _easiest_ method to install a legacy printer
is...

Search for the all-important CAB file for the HP LJ 2100tn printer.
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=laserjet%202100>

Choose the CAB file to download that best fits your legacy printer.

For example, for the "HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5", Windows x64:
<http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2009/07/4188_bacd1413e93b4a6362d9a2ca653c869f1c02f6f7.cab>

Or, for example, for the "HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL6", Windows x64:
<http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2009/07/4189_1228a7cf7b1aac21346b20cb6e21db409dde9e72.cab>

I used 7-Zip to extract the CAB to my archive location:
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\.
<https://www.7-zip.org/download.html>

After extracting make sure you have the critical "inf" file!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\prnhp001.inf
===================================================================
Only after you have the CAB extracted will the add-a-printer work!

First make sure the printer is on the network:
ping <your printer IP address>

Then you can install the desired printer driver from the extracted CAB:
Start > Settings > Devices > Printers & scanners > Add a printer or scanner

In a moment you can click on a blue link which says:
"The printer that I want isn't listed"

Up will come an "Add Printer" form saying:
(o) My printer is a little older. Help me find it.
Click "Next"

In a moment you can click on "HP LaserJet 2100 Series (Hewlett-Packard)"
Click "Next".

Now the "Add Printer" form asks "Install the printer driver".
NOTE: Windows will _never_ find the printer no matter how hard you try.

Instead of doing what Windows normally asks, you must click on
"Have Disk..."

When you see "Install From Disk", click on "Browse".

Browse to the directory containing the extracted prnhp001.inf file!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\
(It won't work unless you have the prnhp001.inf in that directory!)

The "Add Printer" form will ask to choose the printer from the list:
Choose: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5

You can keep or change the "Printer name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5"
Then Click "Next" where it should install the printer driver.

You can share the printer if you want & you can print a test page.
Then click "Finish".

It's a VERY GOOD IDEA to archive the CAB file for futurproofing!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\(put the cab files here)
===================================================================
Note: Your paths will differ (simply use the paths you prefer).
Please improve so that everyone benefits from each action.
===================================================================

arlen holder

2019-04-09 00:52:21 UTC

UPDATE:

I tested the tutorial on a 2nd machine & made improvements as shown below.
I also added a couple more references, and clarified a few of the forms.
*******************************************************************
How to install the HP LaserJet 2100tn on Windows 10 in 2019
*******************************************************************
Please improve so that everyone benefits from your actions.

Note that the procedure outlined below will be the same for other legacy
printers which also do not have current Windows & manufacturer drivers, and
which also don't have updates on the specific Printer Windows Update
mechanism.

NOTE almost all of the classic and "obvious" methods will NOT work:
o The HP web site does NOT have the printer driver.
o The HP web site has a PARK driver (i.e., build your own); but that's
crazy
(PARK === HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit)
o You do not want to download a printer driver from random web sites.
o The default Microsoft Windows 10 can not find the printer driver.
o The special printer-based Windows 10 Update does not find it either.
o The Windows Catalogue site has the only known good legacy driver!
(If you know of any other working method - please advise.)
===================================================================
WARNING: If you try the "normal" method of installing some legacy
printers (such as the Hewlett Packard LaserJet 2100), you will fail.
===================================================================
Catalog site:
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx>

Here's a page for how to use it for those who haven't been there before:
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166
===================================================================
This is the _only_ known way that _still_ works, in 2019 anyway.
(Get & archive your legacy printer CAB files while you still can.)
===================================================================
First, _try_ to get Windows to install the printer driver on its own.
(You will fail.)

Then, _try_ to use the special printer-based "windows 10 update" process.
(You will fail.)

Then _try_ to find the legacy printer drivers on the HP web site.
(You will fail.)
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-series/25469/model/14918>

You _can_ attempt to build your own HP Printer Driver from the
"HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit" located here (but that's crazy).
<https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-22/PARK-v1.8.6.zip>

Then, obtain & archive the all-important legacy printer CAB file from:
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx>
===================================================================
How to install the driver for the Windows legacy printer HPLJ2100tn
===================================================================
After all else fails, this is the _easiest_ & most reliable method.

Search for the all-important CAB file for the HP LJ 2100tn printer.
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=laserjet%202100>

Choose the CAB file to download that best fits your legacy printer.

For example, for the "HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5", Windows x64:
<http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2009/07/4188_bacd1413e93b4a6362d9a2ca653c869f1c02f6f7.cab>

Or, for example, for the "HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL6", Windows x64:
<http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2009/07/4189_1228a7cf7b1aac21346b20cb6e21db409dde9e72.cab>

I used 7-Zip to extract a COPY of the CAB to my archive location:
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\.
<https://www.7-zip.org/download.html>

Extract the CAB file & rename the resulting directory to "drivers".
(The rename is optional, but it's a better name that that of the CAB file.)

After extracting & renaming the directory make sure of the critical "inf"
file!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\prnhp001.inf

For reference, take a look at what is in this new "drivers" directory:
dir C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\
04/08/2019 06:41 PM <DIR> Amd64
06/22/2009 08:36 PM 342,852 component.man
07/08/2009 02:33 AM 156,163 prnhp001.cat
06/22/2009 08:10 PM 327,116 prnhp001.Inf
===================================================================
Only after you have the CAB extracted will the add-a-printer work!

First make sure the printer is on the network:
ping <your printer IP address>

For example:
ping 192.168.1.116

Pinging 192.168.1.116 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.116:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 2ms, Average = 2ms
===================================================================
Then begin the classic Windows printer driver install process:
Start > Settings > Devices > Printers & scanners > Add a printer or
scanner
It will say "Searching for printers and scanners ... "

In a few moments you can click on a blue link which says:
"The printer that I want isn't listed"

Up will come an "Add Printer" form saying:
(o) My printer is a little older. Help me find it.
Click "Next"

It will say "Searching for available printers"...

In a few moments you'll see: "HP LaserJet 2100 Series (Hewlett-Packard)"
Select the printer that it found & click "Next".

It will say "Detecting TCP/IP Port" and then the "Add Printer" form shows
up.
That "Add Printer" form asks you to "Install the printer driver".
NOTE: Windows will _never_ find the printer driver no matter how hard you
try.

Instead of doing what Windows normally asks, you must click on
"Have Disk..."

When you see "Install From Disk", click on "Browse".
That will pop up the "Locate File" form, which defaults to "System32".

Change the "Locate File" "Look in" field to your printer driver directory
which contains the extracted "prnhp001.inf" file and select that file:
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\prnhp001.inf
That will populate the "Install From Disk" form to:
"Copy the manufacturer's files from:
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers
Then press the "OK" button on the "Install From Disk" form.
NOTE: It won't let you hit the "OK" if you don't have an inf in that
folder.

This will populate the "Add Printer" form with a bunch of HP printer names.
The "Add Printer" form will ask to choose the printer from the list:
Choose: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
Then press "Next" to close that page of the "Add Printer" form.

Up will pop another "Add Printer" form titled "Type a printer name"
Printer name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
You can keep or change the "Printer name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5"
Then Click "Next" where you should see "Installing printer..." for a
while.

The penultimate page of the "Add Printer" form will ask about "Printer
Sharing".
(o) Share this printer so that others on your network can find and use it
Share name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
You can change any setting you like on this form.

Once that form is set up to your liking, click the "Next" button.
That will pop up the last "Add Printer" page saying:
"You've successfully added HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5"

You can click the "Print a test page" button, if you like.
Then click "Finish".

It's a VERY GOOD IDEA to archive the CAB file for futurproofing!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\(put the cab files here)
===================================================================
Note: Your paths will differ (simply use the paths you prefer).
Please improve so that everyone benefits from each action.
===================================================================
============================================================================
============================================================================
****************************************************************************

lonelydad

2019-04-09 04:24:50 UTC

Post by arlen holder
I tested the tutorial on a 2nd machine & made improvements as shown
below. I also added a couple more references, and clarified a few of
the forms.
*******************************************************************
How to install the HP LaserJet 2100tn on Windows 10 in 2019
*******************************************************************
Please improve so that everyone benefits from your actions.
Note that the procedure outlined below will be the same for other
legacy printers which also do not have current Windows & manufacturer
drivers, and which also don't have updates on the specific Printer
Windows Update mechanism.
o The HP web site does NOT have the printer driver.
o The HP web site has a PARK driver (i.e., build your own); but that's
crazy
(PARK === HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit)
o You do not want to download a printer driver from random web sites.
o The default Microsoft Windows 10 can not find the printer driver.
o The special printer-based Windows 10 Update does not find it either.
o The Windows Catalogue site has the only known good legacy driver!
(If you know of any other working method - please advise.)
===================================================================
WARNING: If you try the "normal" method of installing some legacy
printers (such as the Hewlett Packard LaserJet 2100), you will fail.
===================================================================
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx>
Here's a page for how to use it for those who haven't been there
before: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166
===================================================================
This is the _only_ known way that _still_ works, in 2019 anyway.
(Get & archive your legacy printer CAB files while you still can.)
===================================================================
First, _try_ to get Windows to install the printer driver on its own.
(You will fail.)
Then, _try_ to use the special printer-based "windows 10 update"
process. (You will fail.)
Then _try_ to find the legacy printer drivers on the HP web site.
(You will fail.)
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-2100-prin
ter-series/25469/model/14918>
You _can_ attempt to build your own HP Printer Driver from the
"HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit" located here (but that's crazy).
<https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-22/PARK-v1
.8.6.zip>
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx>
===================================================================
How to install the driver for the Windows legacy printer HPLJ2100tn
===================================================================
After all else fails, this is the _easiest_ & most reliable method.
Search for the all-important CAB file for the HP LJ 2100tn printer.
<http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=laserjet%202100>
Choose the CAB file to download that best fits your legacy printer.
<http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2009/0
7/4188_bacd1413e93b4a6362d9a2ca653c869f1c02f6f7.cab>
<http://download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/driver/drvs/2009/0
7/4189_1228a7cf7b1aac21346b20cb6e21db409dde9e72.cab>
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\.
<https://www.7-zip.org/download.html>
Extract the CAB file & rename the resulting directory to "drivers".
(The rename is optional, but it's a better name that that of the CAB file.)
After extracting & renaming the directory make sure of the critical
"inf" file!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\prnhp001.inf
dir C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\
04/08/2019 06:41 PM <DIR> Amd64
06/22/2009 08:36 PM 342,852 component.man
07/08/2009 02:33 AM 156,163 prnhp001.cat
06/22/2009 08:10 PM 327,116 prnhp001.Inf
===================================================================
Only after you have the CAB extracted will the add-a-printer work!
ping <your printer IP address>
ping 192.168.1.116
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Reply from 192.168.1.116: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=60
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 2ms, Average = 2ms
===================================================================
Start > Settings > Devices > Printers & scanners > Add a printer or scanner
It will say "Searching for printers and scanners ... "
"The printer that I want isn't listed"
(o) My printer is a little older. Help me find it.
Click "Next"
It will say "Searching for available printers"...
In a few moments you'll see: "HP LaserJet 2100 Series
(Hewlett-Packard)"
Select the printer that it found & click "Next".
It will say "Detecting TCP/IP Port" and then the "Add Printer" form
shows up.
That "Add Printer" form asks you to "Install the printer driver".
NOTE: Windows will _never_ find the printer driver no matter how hard you
try.
Instead of doing what Windows normally asks, you must click on
"Have Disk..."
When you see "Install From Disk", click on "Browse".
That will pop up the "Locate File" form, which defaults to
"System32".
Change the "Locate File" "Look in" field to your printer driver
directory which contains the extracted "prnhp001.inf" file and select
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\prnhp001.inf
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers
Then press the "OK" button on the "Install From Disk" form.
NOTE: It won't let you hit the "OK" if you don't have an inf in that
folder.
This will populate the "Add Printer" form with a bunch of HP printer names.
Choose: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
Then press "Next" to close that page of the "Add Printer" form.
Up will pop another "Add Printer" form titled "Type a printer name"
Printer name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
You can keep or change the "Printer name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL
5" Then Click "Next" where you should see "Installing printer..."
for a
while.
The penultimate page of the "Add Printer" form will ask about "Printer
Sharing".
(o) Share this printer so that others on your network can find and
use it Share name: HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
You can change any setting you like on this form.
Once that form is set up to your liking, click the "Next" button.
"You've successfully added HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5"
You can click the "Print a test page" button, if you like.
Then click "Finish".
It's a VERY GOOD IDEA to archive the CAB file for futurproofing!
C:\app\hardware\printer\hplj2100tn\drivers\(put the cab files here)
===================================================================
Note: Your paths will differ (simply use the paths you prefer).
Please improve so that everyone benefits from each action.
===================================================================
=======================================================================
=====
=======================================================================
=====
***********************************************************************
*****

If you don't want to go to all that effort, or do not trust yourself to
get it right, and you don't mind not being able to use all of the
features of the printer, instead of installing the specific printer [in
this case the HP Laserjet 2100tn] simply have Windows install a driver
for a generic Postscript printer. That will install a driver that will
print to the 2100, it just won't allow access to any of the advanced
features specific to the 2100.

arlen holder

2019-04-09 17:12:55 UTC

Post by lonelydad
If you don't want to go to all that effort, or do not trust yourself to
get it right, and you don't mind not being able to use all of the
features of the printer, instead of installing the specific printer [in
this case the HP Laserjet 2100tn] simply have Windows install a driver
for a generic Postscript printer. That will install a driver that will
print to the 2100, it just won't allow access to any of the advanced
features specific to the 2100.

Hi lonelydad,

Thank you for your purposefully helpful (& useful!) suggestion of
o Choosing an _existing_ (likely generic) printer for legacy printers

You bring up a GREAT point, which I'd like to ask a question about below,
but first, some background so that we can start off on the right note.

Despite Cybe(r) Wizard's vain attempts to prove the contrary, I've been
writing & improving helpful HP printer tutorials for over a decade, where
this reference is for how to refill the ink in those dastardly things,
where the detail is enormous on the hurdles to overcome.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.hp.hardware/GKuOzns5d1Q/STV-rseeZTEJ>

In those days, before Win10 existed, I posted to this newsgroup:
o comp.sys.hp.hardware (http://tinyurl.com/comp-sys-hp-hardware)

I will _add_ this suggestion of "choosing a different printer" to the
reference, along with the suggestion to use the original drivers (if you
can find the original disc, and, if those old drivers still work on the
current operating system).

I will also add a link to at least one "third-party" driver site, e.g.,
<http://www.easydriverpro.com/driver-update/printers/hp/laserjet-2100/laserjet-2100-windows-10.html>

Now back to your suggestion of choosing a "different driver" out of the
list that does exist in the basic "add a printer" Windows menu.
o *How do we rationally decide on which is the best generic driver to install?*

Note that I did _originally_ have in an older tutorial of about a year ago,
a choice to choose a "similar" printer, as shown below, but that specific
choice, apparently, no longer works, so I removed it from the current
tutorial. :(
o "HP Laserjet 2200 Series PCL 5 (HP)"
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/yKNzX4YR/quick-tutorial-for-installing-the-hewlett-packard-hp-laserjet-2100tn-printer-on-windows>

In that year-old reference, you'll see I also _attempted_ to archive the
drivers after the fact, where everyone who suggests DoubleDriver (or
similar) software (such as DrvBack) has never actually tested out their
suggestion on a printer driver. (In other words, post-driver archival is a
bust, IMHO.)
o Double Driver <http://www.boozet.org/dd.htm>
o DrvBack <https://sourceforge.net/projects/drvback/>

Given there are few viable options remaining, I _love_ your suggestion of
using a _different_ printer driver (i.e., one that exists in the basic
Windows 10 installation), where the technical question before us is how to
pick which one.

I _like_ your suggestion better since it works more generically (i.e., for
all legacy printers).

My main question is whether the "generic PS driver" will work for most
legacy printers. Mine, for example, seems to use "PCL 5" (whatever that
really means).

I'm looking right now at the options in Microsoft Windows 10:
Start > Settings > Devices > Printers and scanners > Add a printer
The only option is "The printer that I want isn't listed"
The next form is "Add Printer" where I take the default of
(o) My printer is a little older. Help me find it.
(It finds the printer so I click on the printer it found & hit Next.)

I see three "Manufacturer" options:
o Generic
o HP
o Microsoft

Under "Generic" there are 5 options:
o Generic / Text Only
o Generic IBM Graphics 9pin
o Generic IBM Graphics 9pin wide
o MS Publisher Color Printer
o MS Publisher Imagesetter

Under Microsoft there are 14 options
o Microsoft Enterprise Cloud Print Class Driver
o Microsoft IPP Class Driver
o Microsoft MS-XPS Class Driver 2
o Microsoft MS-XPS Class Driver
o Microsoft OpenXPS Class Driver 2
o Microsoft OpenXPS Class Driver
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver
o Microsoft Print To PDF
o Microsoft PS Class Driver <==== is this the driver you suggested?
o Microsoft PWG Raster Class Driver
o Microsoft Software Printer Driver
o Microsoft XPS Class Driver
o Microsoft XPS Document Writer v4
o Remote Desktop Easy Print

Under "HP" there are 3 options:
o HP Color LaserJet 2800 Series PS
o HP LaserJet 2300 Series PS <=== or is this the driver you suggested?
o HP LaserJet 2300L PS

Which of _those_ options are the one you suggested?
(If it's not there, then where?)

Thanks. The reason I ask you to confirm is that I need the tutorial to be
correct so that _others_ can follow successfully in our footsteps.

--
fup respected
BTW, for Mike Easter ... I _found_ the old references using exactly the
search that Mike decries, which is a subject-line keyword based search! :)

lonelydad

2019-04-09 19:43:57 UTC

Post by lonelydad
If you don't want to go to all that effort, or do not trust yourself
to get it right, and you don't mind not being able to use all of the
features of the printer, instead of installing the specific printer
[in this case the HP Laserjet 2100tn] simply have Windows install a
driver for a generic Postscript printer. That will install a driver
that will print to the 2100, it just won't allow access to any of the
advanced features specific to the 2100.

First, PCL is HP's 'Printer Control Language', there effort to provide a
more generic level of printer drivers without going to the expense and
effort of making Postscript capable printers, and to attempt to keep
third party printers from being able to use their printer driver
language. The levels refer to levels of available options built into the
driver and printer. As such, a PCL 5 printer can use any level of PCL
upto and including PCL 5, with some probable loss of acces of some
funtions when using PCL 4 and lower.

And yes, those two examples are what I was thinking of. In the case of
the generic MS driver there is a good chance that some of the printer
functions might not be available. As an example, and only an example
since it's been a while, if the printer you are connecting has a duplexer
function, a generic PS driver or a lower level PCL driver might not
provide access to that capability. The only way to determine that would
be to load the driver, then check the printer setup to see what functions
are available, and test them with your printer.

Also, somewhere along the way if I recall correctly, MS made a basic
design change in their printer drivers to go along with changes in how
Windows works with printer drivers. I don't remember if it was with Win7,
Win8, or Win10, if it occurred at all.

arlen holder

2019-04-10 07:29:08 UTC

Post by lonelydad
And yes, those two examples are what I was thinking of.

Hi lonelydad,

Thanks for that suggestion, where the only seemingly potentially viable
options for the HP LJ 2100 printer available in that Microsoft default GUI
were:
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver
o Microsoft PS Class Driver
o HP LaserJet 2300 Series PS

Where we should note that the printer is NOT an HP 2300 (that's just all
that Microsoft had in the GUI), and that there is only 1 PCL class driver,
which is not from HP, but from Microsoft (and it's PCL6, not PCL5).

If you had to pick between them for the HP 2100 Series, which would you pick?

lonelydad

2019-04-10 13:58:40 UTC

Post by lonelydad
And yes, those two examples are what I was thinking of.

Hi lonelydad,
Thanks for that suggestion, where the only seemingly potentially
viable options for the HP LJ 2100 printer available in that Microsoft
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver
o Microsoft PS Class Driver
o HP LaserJet 2300 Series PS
Where we should note that the printer is NOT an HP 2300 (that's just
all that Microsoft had in the GUI), and that there is only 1 PCL class
driver, which is not from HP, but from Microsoft (and it's PCL6, not
PCL5).
If you had to pick between them for the HP 2100 Series, which would you pick?

The PCL 6 driver will probably come closest to supporting all the
features of the HP 2100. Just because it supports features that aren't
available in PCL 5 doesn't mean it not usable. But there will be options
appearing in 'Printer setup' that won't work with the HP 2100.

The PS class driver will only work if the HP 2100 supports Postscript. If
it does, the user would have to experiment to see what functions were
available and which ones weren't.

The same applies to the third option. The 'PS' tells me that it is a
Postscript driver as well. The advantage would be that it probably
supports more of the features of the HP 2100 than the generic PS Class
driver.

All that said, the user will have to experiment to see what features are
available with whichever driver is selected to find out for sure what can
and can't be done.

Diesel

2019-04-10 00:19:09 UTC

Post by arlen holder
You bring up a GREAT point, which I'd like to ask a question about
below, but first, some background so that we can start off on the
right note.
Despite Cybe(r) Wizard's vain attempts to prove the contrary, I've
been writing & improving helpful HP printer tutorials for over a
decade, where this reference is for how to refill the ink in those
dastardly things, where the detail is enormous on the hurdles to
overcome.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.hp.hardware/GKuOzns5d1Q/S
TV-rseeZTEJ>

You shouldn't use refilled cartridges. It's really not good on the
printer.

Post by arlen holder
Now back to your suggestion of choosing a "different driver" out
of the list that does exist in the basic "add a printer" Windows
menu. o *How do we rationally decide on which is the best generic
driver to install?*

If you're using PCL drivers, you go with the one known to support
your printer. If your printer is pcl5 capable, use a pcl5 driver. You
won't have full functionality in most cases of your printer, but,
you'd be able to print to a point. If it can do two sided printing,
stapling etc, it probably won't have those features available with
the generic drivers, and, it may have trouble printing some bitmaps
fast for you, but otherwise, it *should* print essential
text/graphics.

Post by arlen holder
In that year-old reference, you'll see I also _attempted_ to
archive the drivers after the fact, where everyone who suggests
DoubleDriver (or similar) software (such as DrvBack) has never
actually tested out their suggestion on a printer driver. (In
other words, post-driver archival is a bust, IMHO.)
o Double Driver <http://www.boozet.org/dd.htm>
o DrvBack <https://sourceforge.net/projects/drvback/>

I've used both utilities, and double driver hasn't failed me with
printers, video, network, or sound cards. Or chipset drivers for that
matter. I don't recall a failure with drvback either, just that I
didn't like it for one reason or another.

Post by arlen holder
Given there are few viable options remaining, I _love_ your
suggestion of using a _different_ printer driver (i.e., one that
exists in the basic Windows 10 installation), where the technical
question before us is how to pick which one.

You pick the one that's closest to your printers pcl level. You can
go lower if you need to do so.

Post by arlen holder
I _like_ your suggestion better since it works more generically
(i.e., for all legacy printers).

It's a standard suggestion for HP laserjets and various flavors of
Windows as well as Novell networks. I'm surprised this is 'new'
information to you. The same 'trick' works on win9x too. :)

Post by arlen holder
My main question is whether the "generic PS driver" will work for
most legacy printers. Mine, for example, seems to use "PCL 5"
(whatever that really means).

It's the level of PCL language your printer knows. it's HP's printer
control language, literally.

Post by arlen holder
Start > Settings > Devices > Printers and scanners > Add a
printer The only option is "The printer that I want isn't listed"
The next form is "Add Printer" where I take the default of
(o) My printer is a little older. Help me find it.
(It finds the printer so I click on the printer it found & hit Next.)
o Generic
o HP
o Microsoft

This is where it can get interesting. Generic is for old school stuff
you probably don't have connected. 9pin24pin dot matrix deals,
ancient inkjets that weren't dumb 'windows only' printers. Old stuff.

HP sometimes does, but sometimes doesn't depending on flavor of
Windows have generic PCL drivers (usually upto 5)

Sometimes you can find PCL drivers listed under Microsoft, if HP
fails you.

Post by arlen holder
o Generic / Text Only
o Generic IBM Graphics 9pin
o Generic IBM Graphics 9pin wide
o MS Publisher Color Printer
o MS Publisher Imagesetter

These aren't for you. See above.

Post by arlen holder
Under Microsoft there are 14 options
o Microsoft Enterprise Cloud Print Class Driver
o Microsoft IPP Class Driver
o Microsoft MS-XPS Class Driver 2
o Microsoft MS-XPS Class Driver
o Microsoft OpenXPS Class Driver 2
o Microsoft OpenXPS Class Driver
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver
o Microsoft Print To PDF
o Microsoft PS Class Driver <==== is this the driver you
suggested? o Microsoft PWG Raster Class Driver
o Microsoft Software Printer Driver
o Microsoft XPS Class Driver
o Microsoft XPS Document Writer v4
o Remote Desktop Easy Print

The PCL6 driver *may* work for your printer. The PS driver may also
work, but that's a post script driver, not pcl. You can usually run a
printer less capable than your pcl driver, with the understanding
that you will not necessarily have full usage of your printers
capabilities, aside from basic printing.

Post by arlen holder
o HP Color LaserJet 2800 Series PS

Yours isn't color, right? And that's a post script driver.

Post by arlen holder
Thanks. The reason I ask you to confirm is that I need the
tutorial to be correct so that _others_ can follow successfully in
our footsteps.

You're reinventing the wheel on this one. Alas.

And post script drivers can be a bitch sometimes, too. They tend to
be more printer specific.

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2019-04-10 07:18:44 UTC

Post by Diesel
You shouldn't use refilled cartridges. It's really not good on the
printer.

Hi Diesel,

I don't own the printer anymore but this is a quote from my reference:
"The HP #14 ink tanks are just a sponge filled with ink.
Nothing more. Nothing less. There's no reason they should
expire if you keep them filled (HP diatribes to the
contrary notwithstanding)."

The reason you need to refill before the tanks run dry was stated:
"Don't drill a hole in the top of the tank like the refill
kits recommend. Ignore that and just flip the tri-color and
black tanks upside down. Simply drip high quality refill ink
onto the sponge at the bottom. That's it. Refill until the
sponge is nice and soaking wet. And, of course, don't ever
let the sponge dry out as it shrinks away from the sides
of the tank and makes a huge mess when you refill it and
takes days (perhaps never) to regain its former shape."

There are two kinds of printer ink containers in typical home printers.
o Ink tanks (which don't have a built-in printhead)
o Ink cartridges (which incorporate a built-in printhead).

In addition, note this sentence in that decade-old tutorial:
"Also bear in mind, the HP "ink drop counting" system is designed
to prevent you from refilling, not to prevent the printheads
from running dry and burning out the heating elements due to
loss of water cooling!"

Regarding the 'quality' of the ink, I picked it up at a local print shop,
so the ink was of better quality than that which HP put in those ink tanks.
"(Of course, [HP will] wax eloquently about the "quality"
of the ink causing "damage" "
"PS: The ink from HP is water soluble so your pictures will be too.
Also, the ink isn't archival quality from HP. Best to get ink
that is archival quality from a printing shop which is
extremely cheap compared to the horrendously expensive
low-quality HP ink supplied as OEM."

Notice this tutorial also has non-obvious hints, which were highlighted as:
"You do NOT have to disassemble the HP #14 printhead to refill it!
You can just remove the round spacer (see photos to be referenced)
and then drip the ink in via the handful of channels under that
round removable cylinder. This is good 'cuz removing the cylinder
rarely breaks the printhead but removing the next three clips is
a very delicate operation. If you just drip ink inside the channels
under the positioning cylinder, then you don't have to remove
the three clips and you win big time! *This is the ONLY place on*
*the net where this procedure is described so take note!*

Post by Diesel
I've used both utilities, and double driver hasn't failed me with
printers, video, network, or sound cards. Or chipset drivers for that
matter. I don't recall a failure with drvback either, just that I
didn't like it for one reason or another.

Hi Diesel,
I agree the tutorial needs more details on how to back up the printer
drivers that are already installed.

There are other reputed driver backup methods I didn't cover in the
tutorial, e.g., at an admin prompt, as shown below in a cut-and-paste
sequence, the user would run:
cd c:\tmpp
mkdir drivers
dism /online /export-driver /destination:C:\tmp\drivers

Each driver is exported in a separate folder in which not only *.inf files
are placed, but also all related files (*.sys, *.dll, *.exe etc).

Another reputed way to export drivers is to use the PowerShell
at an admin prompt, as shown below in a cut-and-paste sequence:
cd c:\tmp
mkdir driversPS
%SystemRoot%\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\powershell.exe
Export-WindowsDriver -Online -Destination C:\tmp\driversPS

Yet another reputed way to export printer drivers is to use PrintBrmUi.exe:
cd c:\tmp\
mkdir C:\tmp\driver_export
%SystemRoot%\system32\PrintBrmUi.exe
(o) Export printer queues and printer drivers to a file
Next
(o) This print server (\\servername)
Next > Next
(Save to the file: C:\tmp\driver_export\printerBRM.printerExport)
Next > Finish

Still another reputed way to export printer drivers is printmanagement.msc:
%SystemRoot%\system32\printmanagement.msc
(Expand "Print Servers" in the left pane.)
(Right click on the "local" print server.)
(Select "Export printers to a file")
(Save to the file: C:\tmp\driver_export\printerPMC.printerExport)
Next > Finish

The user should be able to restore the device drivers using DISM:
dism /online /Add-Driver /Driver:C:\tmp\driversPS /Recurse

Or by using the Windows Device Manager GUI:
%SystemRoot%\system32\devmgmt.msc
(Rightclick on the desired device & choose "Update Driver".)
(Select "Browse my computer for driver software")
(Select the backup & make sure "Include subfolders" is checked.)

Or by running the Printer Migration wizard:
%SystemRoot%\system32\PrintBrmUi.exe
(o) Import printer queues and printer drivers from a file

Or by running the Printer Management console:
%SystemRoot%\system32\printmanagement.msc
(Expand "Print Servers" in the left pane.)
(Right click on the "local" print server.)
(Select "Import printers from a file")

Or simply by doubleclicking on the *.printerExport files.

Note there may be an option for
o Keep existing printers (this won't overwrite existing printer drivers)
o Overwrite existing printers (this will replace existing printer drivers)

Note: There may be other methods for backing up printer drivers that I'm
unaware of, so please do suggest working methods so that everyone benefits
from your knowledge.

Post by Diesel
It's the level of PCL language your printer knows. it's HP's printer
control language, literally.

Thanks.

Post by arlen holder
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver

The PCL6 driver *may* work for your printer.

Thanks.

The problem is that there is no PCL(anything) listed for the HP 2100
series, where I'm not sure if the Microsoft drivers will work.

Post by Diesel
o HP LaserJet 2300 Series PS <=== or is this the driver you suggested?
o HP LaserJet 2300L PS

Notice there is no PCL driver listed for the HP 2100.
There's not even a PCL driver listed for the HP 2300.

But I don't have the HP 2300 so what the GUI provides isn't clear.
There doesn't seem to be an option to pick an HP 2100 PCL driver anywhere.

Diesel

2019-04-11 08:33:25 UTC

Post by Diesel
You shouldn't use refilled cartridges. It's really not good on
the printer.

Hi Diesel,
I don't own the printer anymore but this is a quote from my
"The HP #14 ink tanks are just a sponge filled with ink.
Nothing more. Nothing less. There's no reason they should
expire if you keep them filled (HP diatribes to the
contrary notwithstanding)."

I see. I'll just disclose that amongst my certifications is one from
HP.. for of all things, printer service and repair. Sadly, (well for
me) that's inkjets, laserjets, etc. If HP made the damn thing, I've
been trained and certified on it. Along with some other ehh, big
name according to various former employers printer companies.

As a result, I'm almost certain that we will have differing opinions
on this subject. For example, you might think swapping ink formulas
is perfectly okay, it's only a sponge. That's not a bad line of
thought, if you don't quite understand how the ink is getting on the
paper from the sponge source. You're contributing to a mess that's
growing over time inside your printer. Along with potential damage
to the components required to get the ink from the tanks to the
print heads themselves...

You're also not taking into consideration what the printer is doing
when it performs a quickie self clean of it's print heads. You don't
see the ehm, messy goo it's leaving in a certain little place inside
itself; which will eventually force you to either replace the
printer, or, have it serviced. Or, if you want, give it a good
cleaning yourself.

In an effort to avoid turning this into an unnecessary pile of lame
personal attacks in your reply, I'll just retract my former
statement, if that's okay by you. I just wanted to pass along some
friendly advice for you to do with as you please concerning what
your printer is doing behind the scenes as you print away with those
refilled tanks and cartridges.

Post by arlen holder
There are two kinds of printer ink containers in typical home
printers. o Ink tanks (which don't have a built-in printhead)
o Ink cartridges (which incorporate a built-in printhead).

It's not just in home printers. If it's not thermal, laser, or dot
matrix, it's one of the above ink jet systems. You can find all of
those in commercial/industrial and residential (home owners)
configurations. Cartridge/tank though is where the simularities end.
Epson's print technology isn't anything like the ones Canon and HP
use, for example. HP and Canon are technically whats known as a
bubblejet.

Post by arlen holder
"Also bear in mind, the HP "ink drop counting" system is
designed
to prevent you from refilling, not to prevent the printheads
from running dry and burning out the heating elements due to
loss of water cooling!"

Well, it's a little more complicated than that. A thermal bubble,
aka, a bubble jet printhead uses heating elements. Canon, HP,
typically. Dell too, since it's a rebranded machine anyhow.

An epson style, for example, uses piezo crystals which work on
vibration to spray a droplet out and reload. heh.

And a thermal printer, well, it's heating elements only; it
literally burns the paper to print.

The eeprom on the cartridge isn't actually counting on a per drop
basis.... And if you really want to, it can be bypassed. It is
present to dissuade you from using refilled cartridges, because for
many home users, the results are terrible. You may be the exception
to the rule, but for many, it's just a big mess and a ruined (well,
not always) printer.

Post by arlen holder
Also, the ink isn't archival quality from HP. Best to get ink
that is archival quality from a printing shop which is
extremely cheap compared to the horrendously expensive
low-quality HP ink supplied as OEM."

If you're looking to make archival quality photo prints, you aren't
typically doing that with a normal home user/small office business
printer. I'd opt for a professional printer system in that case. It
doesn't use the same formulation of inks. It's printheads are
typically more advanced (makes more dots in a tighter space) too.

Post by arlen holder
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver

The PCL6 driver *may* work for your printer.

Thanks.
The problem is that there is no PCL(anything) listed for the HP
2100 series, where I'm not sure if the Microsoft drivers will
work.

Umm..

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-series/25469/manuals

That wasn't difficult to find. I didn't expect you to take my word
for it, I thought you might take HP's though. It's a PCL5 printer.

I know, you think I talk alot of shit or something. That I'm BSing
you in some way concerning my techie skills..

Well, allow me to help you with some additional information on your
quest.

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001

Yes, your printer is listed as supported. :)

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5

You said it was a 2100 series right? [g]

Post by arlen holder
But I don't have the HP 2300 so what the GUI provides isn't clear.
There doesn't seem to be an option to pick an HP 2100 PCL driver anywhere.

You didn't look very hard. The HP 2100 is a well known work horse of
a printer. Very reliable, parts easily acquired, easy to repair.
Damn good printers. As a result, drivers tend to exist to support
them on damn near any OS.

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2019-04-11 10:30:41 UTC

Post by Diesel
You shouldn't use refilled cartridges. It's really not good on
the printer.

I'm not in your class of expertise on printers, but I know from my
personal experience with printers and refilling that you are right :-)

I had a Canon BJC 4000. Sponge cartridges. Very easy to refill: extract
the cartridge, turn over, drop the drops on it. Easy to clean the
nozzles with spirit, then blow softly on the hole on the other end to
let a drop of ink appear.

It was way cheaper.

But the ink dried more often, needing printing about every week. Often
if I had to print something I had to go over the entire procedure of
cleaning with spirit and refilling, wasting an hour or two before
getting a good printed page.

So yes, the inks are carefully formulated for each printer, and the
original inks work better. It is a compromise: pay more or work more or
accept the nuisances...

In the end, I switched to an HP color laser printer and forgot about it,
for years. No more issues.

Well, home users also may want archival quality for some prints... :-)

Post by Diesel
You said it was a 2100 series right? [g]

Post by arlen holder
But I don't have the HP 2300 so what the GUI provides isn't clear.
There doesn't seem to be an option to pick an HP 2100 PCL driver anywhere.

I can say that hplip in Linux has it.

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2019-04-11 10:45:38 UTC

On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:30:41 +0200, "Carlos E.R."

Post by Carlos E.R.
I'm not in your class of expertise on printers, but I know from my
personal experience with printers and refilling that you are right :-)

Amazingly Dusty and I agree.

If you have the money don't refill. If you don't have the money, find
some.

The horrors of support contracts from companies that supply refurbished
or copycat cartridges and spares... Lordy lordy.

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Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by Diesel
You shouldn't use refilled cartridges. It's really not good on
the printer.

I'm not in your class of expertise on printers, but I know from my
personal experience with printers and refilling that you are right :-)

Same here.

Post by Carlos E.R.
[...]
It was way cheaper.
But the ink dried more often, needing printing about every week. Often
if I had to print something I had to go over the entire procedure of
cleaning with spirit and refilling, wasting an hour or two before
getting a good printed page.
[...]
In the end, I switched to an HP color laser printer and forgot about it,
for years. No more issues.

Which is exactly why I also bit the bullet and got a laser. I print
mostly text, so initially only got a B&W (Brother HL2150). Then wifey
wanted to print a couple of pictures, so went with a color (Brother
multifunction, since a scanner / copy machine actually comes in handy).

Post by Carlos E.R.

Post by Diesel
[...]
If you're looking to make archival quality photo prints, you aren't
typically doing that with a normal home user/small office business
printer. I'd opt for a professional printer system in that case. It
doesn't use the same formulation of inks. It's printheads are
typically more advanced (makes more dots in a tighter space) too.

Well, home users also may want archival quality for some prints... :-)

We found that it was more cost-effective to go with Snapfish for those
one-offs. May be the same for many (or y'know, Walgreens / Kinkos /
Office Depot / etc.)

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Post by Diesel
I see. I'll just disclose that amongst my certifications is one from
HP.. for of all things, printer service and repair. Sadly, (well for
me) that's inkjets, laserjets, etc. If HP made the damn thing, I've
been trained and certified on it. Along with some other ehh, big
name according to various former employers printer companies.

Back in the dark ages aye?

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Post by Diesel
You shouldn't use refilled cartridges. It's really not good on
the printer.

I see. I'll just disclose that amongst my certifications is one from
HP.. for of all things, printer service and repair. Sadly, (well for
me) that's inkjets, laserjets, etc. If HP made the damn thing, I've
been trained and certified on it. Along with some other ehh, big
name according to various former employers printer companies.
As a result, I'm almost certain that we will have differing opinions
on this subject. For example, you might think swapping ink formulas
is perfectly okay, it's only a sponge. That's not a bad line of
thought, if you don't quite understand how the ink is getting on the
paper from the sponge source. You're contributing to a mess that's
growing over time inside your printer. Along with potential damage
to the components required to get the ink from the tanks to the
print heads themselves...
You're also not taking into consideration what the printer is doing
when it performs a quickie self clean of it's print heads. You don't
see the ehm, messy goo it's leaving in a certain little place inside
itself; which will eventually force you to either replace the
printer, or, have it serviced. Or, if you want, give it a good
cleaning yourself.
In an effort to avoid turning this into an unnecessary pile of lame
personal attacks in your reply, I'll just retract my former
statement, if that's okay by you. I just wanted to pass along some
friendly advice for you to do with as you please concerning what
your printer is doing behind the scenes as you print away with those
refilled tanks and cartridges.

Well, it's a little more complicated than that. A thermal bubble,
aka, a bubble jet printhead uses heating elements. Canon, HP,
typically. Dell too, since it's a rebranded machine anyhow.
An epson style, for example, uses piezo crystals which work on
vibration to spray a droplet out and reload. heh.
And a thermal printer, well, it's heating elements only; it
literally burns the paper to print.
The eeprom on the cartridge isn't actually counting on a per drop
basis.... And if you really want to, it can be bypassed. It is
present to dissuade you from using refilled cartridges, because for
many home users, the results are terrible. You may be the exception
to the rule, but for many, it's just a big mess and a ruined (well,
not always) printer.

Post by arlen holder
o Microsoft PCL6 Class Driver

The PCL6 driver *may* work for your printer.

Thanks.
The problem is that there is no PCL(anything) listed for the HP
2100 series, where I'm not sure if the Microsoft drivers will
work.

Umm..
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-series/25469/manuals
That wasn't difficult to find. I didn't expect you to take my word
for it, I thought you might take HP's though. It's a PCL5 printer.
I know, you think I talk alot of shit or something. That I'm BSing
you in some way concerning my techie skills..
Well, allow me to help you with some additional information on your
quest.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001
Yes, your printer is listed as supported. :)
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5
You said it was a 2100 series right? [g]

Post by arlen holder
But I don't have the HP 2300 so what the GUI provides isn't clear.
There doesn't seem to be an option to pick an HP 2100 PCL driver anywhere.

OP notoriously makes everything arduous and complicated. I have an HP
LaserJet 2100 as my main document laser. It is as standard and not a TN
with a printserver nor a USB so I have in on an old bit of hardware with
a parallel port Linux server. Via CUPS share it was simple to setup in
Windows 10. Just choose the PCL5 driver the PCL6 does not work.

<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>

IIRC Windows 7 didn't have the LaserJet 2100 Series driver so I used the
LaserJet 2200 Series driver without issue.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Anonymous

2019-04-11 18:29:24 UTC

Subject: Dustin Cook aka Diesel Threatens To Post Someone's Daughter's Info To
Sex Group

Dustin Cook aka Diesel aka Raid aka Gremlin aka Casio aka Char Jackson

His speciality is posting women's names and addys to alt sex groups
claiming they want to get laid.

This is something he has done many times to poster's who disagree with
him.

He claims someone insulted him, his family, his cat, or his rusted out
mini van, and then threatens to retaliate. He always uses the same
manufactured fabrication as an excuse to attack someone. It never
changes.

He is a living proof of how SICK and EVIL a person can be.
==========
Dustin Cook aka Diesel Posted:

"You can't even do your own research. Laughable. I'm going to find out
about your lovely daughter now, though. And, I won't get the details
wrong when I share them with everyone. :)

Be honest with me, or she's going on one night stand hookup sites for
her local: Is she cute or dog..."
===========
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CXnsA4B410315E6E7F7D9A8%40dieselpower.eternal-september.org%3E

https://is.gd/uobLJk

From: Diesel <***@invalid.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.scorched-earth
Subject: Re: Dustin Cook
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 05:24:35 +0000 (UTC)

STEVE DOHERTY [aka aardvark] wants to convince everyone that you
threatened to shoot his kids

That's exactly what he did:

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=134035777600

From: David_B <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.scorched-earth
Subject: Re: Websites to be forced to identify trolls under new
measures (UK)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:45:00 +0100
He knows I have a 9mm pistol, he knows that I know exactly where
*he* lives and could, if I wished, take out his kids - you know, the
ones he briefed to be careful about what they said to me when they
came to visit in 'friendship'.

There is no mention of any boat or boat trip in that post and you
know it because you were here when he wrote it. The spin to an invite
to his boat came later, when he realized he was obvious with the
threat and it could cause problems. he was trying to prevent an
interaction with the police. He was unable to do so. They visited him
in person to discuss this post which was a clear threat.

BD lied to us or he lied to the cops when he said he didn't have the
said pistol. As he has no paperwork which allows him to be in
possession of any handgun.

have you arrested. The police visited you several weeks later and
found no gun or even gun ownership papers

BD either hid the weapon and lied to the cops, or he's lied about
ever having one. As you can clearly see by his own post, he does
claim to have one, by your own admission, he does NOT have the
necessary paperwork to be in possession of one. Thank you for
confirming that once again, BD is lying to us or the cops.

made was found to be non criminal and was disregarded by the
police.

That's a lie. BD was warned against writing things like that again
and a file exists on him at this time as a result of the interaction
concerning threat of using a firearm and children. Nothing was said
about a boat in the post. It's there for you and everyone else to
read whenever you like. BD clearly threatened Aardvarks kids.

They even appologized to you BD for the false accusation
made by STEVE DOHERTY.

That's something you're making up as you continue trying to name drop
Aardvark. You don't actually know what his real name is but you wish
you did know.

'puter to a local ISP for free and making a complete ASS of
himself still.

You made a fine ass of yourself when you managed to take a fall and
fuck your tailbone up. I hope the pain serves as a good reminder of
your incurable stupidity.

Did your Drs tell you how fucked you are? :)

of years ago, and is still being written about by STEVE DOHERTY
and his little "girlfriend" sn.

I still think your efforts to try and be big and bad with names you
think belong to people posting here are funny. I understand you're
essentiall impotent and incapable of actually doing anything more
than what you've already tried to do.

It's very funny. I want you to know that you had me rolling in
stiches when I read your wiseass reply that was another copy of an
address BD already bombed with, years ago.

You can't even do your own research. Laughable. I'm going to find out
about your lovely daughter now, though. And, I won't get the details
wrong when I share them with everyone. :)

Be honest with me, or she's going on one night stand hookup sites for
her local: Is she cute or dog ugly like jenn? I'm going to find out
for myself and if your honest with your reply to my question, I won't
do anything with the information aside from store it, right now.

I'm in a good mood right now, david. I'm going to give you one chance
to back down and stay out of things that don't concern you. If you
don't continue provoking me further, I'll hold off on that response I
was alluding to earlier. I should rip you a new asshole for what you
tried to do, but I understand why you tried to do it. To a degree, I
even respect your attack. Even though you missed, you gave it a shot
to try and protect your friend.

So, I give you this one chance to back off and leave things alone...I
won't give you another chance. I'll check the date/time stamps of
your replies in the event you miss this and go off half cocked again.
Don't push my kindness to far though. I'm prepared to take the
response to a much much much higher level.
******
Anon Coward's "Anthology of a Psychopath"

arlen holder

2019-04-11 18:58:51 UTC

Post by Jonathan N. Little
OP notoriously makes everything arduous and complicated. I have an HP
LaserJet 2100 as my main document laser. It is as standard and not a TN
with a printserver nor a USB so I have in on an old bit of hardware with
a parallel port Linux server. Via CUPS share it was simple to setup in
Windows 10. Just choose the PCL5 driver the PCL6 does not work.
<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>
IIRC Windows 7 didn't have the LaserJet 2100 Series driver so I used the
LaserJet 2200 Series driver without issue.

Hi Jonathan,

FACT & LOGIC.

I think it wholly unfair your statements, as I strive for the simplest
solution, where, since I document every step, some people _think_ it's
complicated, simply because they're counting "OK" and "Next" as "steps".

For example, what are you implying is complicated about installing the
correct printer driver from a CAB file for Christs' sake, Jonathan?

Are you suggesting that installing the 'wrong' printer driver is, somehow,
far less complex than simply installing from the 'correct' CAB file?

WTF?

Your' statement was completely unfounded, unfair, and dead wrong Jonathan.

I do very much APPRECIATE that you've helped me in the past on this same
printer, where, in the past, I also used another printer - just as you
suggest, but that's NOT the optimal solution.

So, while I do very much respect you and appreciate that your posts are
generally purposefully helpful, it's wholly and completely unfounded for
you to state that the solution I proposed is "arduous & complicated".

Either you just made that up, or, you misunderstood the process.

Notice the LOGIC of what I say, since I am being blunt with you.

1. The process I suggest is to download & install from the CAB file.
2. The process you stated above is to install the 'wrong' printer.

FACT & LOGIC Johnathan.
Q: How is installing the right printer driver from the CAB file, somehow,
in your estimation, "arduous and complicated"?

I don't expect anyone on Usenet to ever offer an apology when they make
such unfair and wholly unjustified statements, but I do expect you,
Jonathan, as an adult, to comprehend my response, which is:

1. Installing from a cab file is NOT "arduous & complicated".
2. Why do you think installing the "wrong" printer driver is better?

I _appreciate_ your help Jonathan, but your statement was uncalled for.
o I doubt you could find _any_ logic which justifies what you said.

NOTE: I'm not saying installing the 'wrong' printer driver won't work,
especially as I already said I used to do that also, but, AFAICR, when I
last tried to install the 'wrong' printer driver, it failed (so you have to
pick the "correct" "wrong" printer driver using the process that you,
somehow, feel is less "arduous & complicated".

In short, your statement reeked of misunderstanding or downright duplicity.
An adult would apologize, and make it water under the bridge, Jonathan.

Jonathan N. Little

2019-04-11 20:34:57 UTC

Post by arlen holder
I don't expect anyone on Usenet to ever offer an apology when they make
such unfair and wholly unjustified statements, but I do expect you,
1. Installing from a cab file is NOT "arduous & complicated".

I didn't. I used Windows Update. Just selected it.

Post by arlen holder
2. Why do you think installing the "wrong" printer driver is better?

IIRC Windows 7 didn't have HP LaserJet 2100 Series driver for 64 bit
Windows in Windows Update, so I chose the closest model they did have.

Post by arlen holder
I _appreciate_ your help Jonathan, but your statement was uncalled for.
o I doubt you could find _any_ logic which justifies what you said.

Windows 10 Update apparently added the HP LaserJet 2100 Series driver
for 64 bit so when I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10 I just picked the
correct one. BTW the first upgrade didn't work well so I got another
hard drive and installed 10 minty-fresh and had no problem installing
the LJ 2100 printer.

Post by arlen holder
NOTE: I'm not saying installing the 'wrong' printer driver won't work,
especially as I already said I used to do that also, but, AFAICR, when I
last tried to install the 'wrong' printer driver, it failed (so you have to
pick the "correct" "wrong" printer driver using the process that you,
somehow, feel is less "arduous & complicated".
In short, your statement reeked of misunderstanding or downright duplicity.
An adult would apologize, and make it water under the bridge, Jonathan.

Why? I did no arduous process which you detail. I have the printer
installed. It is using the correct driver. It works. Just pick it from
the list. See:

<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

arlen holder

2019-04-12 16:27:37 UTC

Post by Jonathan N. Little
I didn't. I used Windows Update. Just selected it.

Hi Jonathan,

FACTS & LOGIC.
I understand exactly what you did.

I was responding to your "logic" that installing the correct driver was
"arduous & complicated".

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by arlen holder
2. Why do you think installing the "wrong" printer driver is better?

IIRC Windows 7 didn't have HP LaserJet 2100 Series driver for 64 bit
Windows in Windows Update, so I chose the closest model they did have.

FACTS & LOGIC.
I understand completely.

I comprehend facts; and I deduce defensible logic from those facts.

My point is that neither the method of choosing the wrong driver or the
method of choosing the right driver is "arduous & complicated".

For you to claim otherwise doesn't appear to be a logical thought process.

Post by Jonathan N. Little

Post by arlen holder
I _appreciate_ your help Jonathan, but your statement was uncalled for.
o I doubt you could find _any_ logic which justifies what you said.

FACTS & LOGIC.

I know exactly what you are talking about since my earlier tutorials showed
that the older Windows Update (specific for printers) worked years ago for
the HP LJ 2100; but apparently no more.

For you to claim that the process of installing the correct driver nowadays
is "arduous & complicated" is where I state that your logic is infeasible.

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Why? I did no arduous process which you detail.

FACTS & LOGIC.
You make claims that you can't possibly logically defend, Jonathan.

Jonathan, are you _really_ making a claim that using the same Windows GUI
that you use, to install the correct driver, is "arduous & complicated"?

How is installing the correct driver "arduous & complicated"?

Post by Jonathan N. Little
I have the printer
installed. It is using the correct driver. It works. Just pick it from
<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>

Jonathan,
FACTS & LOGIC.
I respect you, but the logic below is unassailable about your actions.

Pardon me for being blunt, but you're either playing games, or you don't
comprehend.

You're acting like Diesel did, where either he didn't comprehend that the
driver didn't exist in his links, or, he did comprehend and was just
playing childish games.

There are no other options to your statements, Jonathan.
o Either you comprehend that the correct driver no longer exists in the
printer-specific Windows 10 update - in which case, you're just playing
games.
o Or, you don't comprehend that the driver is no longer in the
printer-specific Windows-10 update, which means you didn't comprehend a
single word in this thread.

Pick one.

Worse than that, Jonathan, your statement that installing the correct
printer driver is "arduous & complicated" is an illogical statement that
you can't possibly defend.

FACTS & LOGIC.

arlen holder

2019-04-12 17:13:03 UTC

Post by arlen holder
You're acting like Diesel did, where either he didn't comprehend that the
driver didn't exist in his links, or, he did comprehend and was just
playing childish games.

This was posted before I read Diesel's response, where, it turns out, that
Diesel apparently was NOT making any claim that the "correct" printer
driver was on the HP web site.

So I apologize to Diesel where it was me who inferred that Diesel was
implying that the "correct" printer driver was located on the HP web site.

What Diesel was apparently claiming was correct, which is that there is a
driver of last resort on the HP web site, called the Universal Print
Driver.

That name sounds good, but it's a misnomer when you read the fine print
because, depending on the printer, scanning, faxing, and other options are
not supported, nor is PCL5 supported directly (Diesel has explained that
PCL6 drivers apparently support PCL5 printers so the lack of direct PCL5
support may be meaningless in practice).

In short, these are the 7 "arduous & complicated" options a user has:
1. The correct printer-specific driver does not exist on the HP web site
2. That correct driver doesn't exist in current Windows 10
3. That correct driver doesn't exist in printer-specific Windows 10 updates
4. That correct driver does exist in the Windows online Catalogue
5. If all else fails, you can install the HP Universal printer driver
6. If all else fails, you might install a different printer-specific driver
7. If you're a sysadmin, you might consider the HP PARK IT option

These are the 7 known "arduous & complicated" options for legacy printers.

Jonathan N. Little

2019-04-12 20:35:47 UTC

Post by arlen holder
There are no other options to your statements, Jonathan.
o Either you comprehend that the correct driver no longer exists in the
printer-specific Windows 10 update - in which case, you're just playing
games.
o Or, you don't comprehend that the driver is no longer in the
printer-specific Windows-10 update, which means you didn't comprehend a
single word in this thread.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

arlen holder

2019-04-13 04:42:00 UTC

Post by Jonathan N. Little
The printer-specific driver is in the Windows10 update
Lo and behold there it is in the list.
Select the HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 driver.

Hi Jonathan,

FACT & LOGIC:
<Loading Image...

>

HINT: On Windows 1809 (OS Build 17763.437), I just re-tested the
printer-specific Windows Update button, with the HP 2100 network printer
selected, and what you claim does NOT happen on this _current_ Windows 10.

As I've said many times, the _older_ printer-specific "Windows Update"
button did find, AFAICR, the HP 2100 Series drivers; but not the newer
versions.

It's been that way for quite some time, Jonathan, AFAICR.

That would indicate, logically, that the printer-specific Windows Update
button goes to a version-specific Microsoft repository.

Given that fact, Jonathan, how can you possibly claim that installing the
correct printer driver is, somehow, in your mind, "arduous & complicated"
when what you claim exists in your older version, doesn't even exist in the
newer versions of Windows 10?

The fact is that it's NOT even close to arduous & complicated.
o What you suggest doesn't even work;
o Because what you claim, doesn't appear to exist in current versions.

And yet, you claim the only method which installs the correct
printer-specific driver is, somehow, in your mind, "arduous & complicated".

Your thought process is not even close to logical, Jonathan.
o There is no way you can justify your "arduous & complicated" argument.

You simply got overhwelmed by the fact that it was a detailed writeup
(apparently).

Jonathan N. Little

2019-04-13 05:17:06 UTC

Post by Jonathan N. Little
The printer-specific driver is in the Windows10 update
Lo and behold there it is in the list.
Select the HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 driver.

Hi Jonathan,
<https://i.postimg.cc/BnSJx8Tw/printer01.jpg>
HINT: On Windows 1809 (OS Build 17763.437), I just re-tested the
printer-specific Windows Update button, with the HP 2100 network printer
selected, and what you claim does NOT happen on this _current_ Windows 10.
As I've said many times, the _older_ printer-specific "Windows Update"
button did find, AFAICR, the HP 2100 Series drivers; but not the newer
versions.

I will find out. Since I start the Windows boot it upgraded to 1709.
Dang Windows auto-update!

Went through the install printer process on 1709 and yep, after clicking
Windows Update button there she be! The correct driver.

Well, now 1803 is installed and at the pending reboot stage, but it's
late and Windows takes considerable time to finish this install with
several reboots as well, (a pleasure not experienced in Linux). Since it
is dual boot I have to be there to select Windows or it boots into
Ubuntu. I will test the printer driver then and I will bet it will still
show up after clicking the Windows Update button just as previous versions.

And when it updates to 1809 I know it will work as well because my
desktop is currently running 1809 Build 17763.316. I have the dang
printer currently installed and I did not extract any drivers from old
cabs or any other fiddly bits in your list.

Post by arlen holder
It's been that way for quite some time, Jonathan, AFAICR.

Funny I have confirmed it with 1511, 1709, soon with 1803, and I know
it's included with 1809.

Post by arlen holder
That would indicate, logically, that the printer-specific Windows Update
button goes to a version-specific Microsoft repository.

Or your Windows install is just "special".

Post by arlen holder
Given that fact, Jonathan, how can you possibly claim that installing the
correct printer driver is, somehow, in your mind, "arduous & complicated"
when what you claim exists in your older version, doesn't even exist in the
newer versions of Windows 10?

Excepted it does exist in newer version. Here is my version:

<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/Win10-1809>

And there be the driver:

<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>

Post by arlen holder
The fact is that it's NOT even close to arduous & complicated.
o What you suggest doesn't even work;
o Because what you claim, doesn't appear to exist in current versions.

Except it does exist in current versions.

Post by arlen holder
And yet, you claim the only method which installs the correct
printer-specific driver is, somehow, in your mind, "arduous & complicated".

Your process of disassembling old driver cabs is a PITA and not necessary.

Post by arlen holder
Your thought process is not even close to logical, Jonathan.

Not logical?

Post by arlen holder
o There is no way you can justify your "arduous & complicated" argument.
You simply got overhwelmed by the fact that it was a detailed writeup
(apparently).

Bored maybe, not overwhelmed. I used pictures, and a picture is worth a
thousand words...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

arlen holder

2019-04-14 03:00:08 UTC

Post by Jonathan N. Little
Or your Windows install is just "special".

I think you misspelt "broken".

Hi Dan Purgert,

*You shit on the Potluck Picnic that is Usenet - which you think is funny*

I ignored your incessant always-worthless trolling in Mike Easter's thread,
where you and the other worthless pieces of shit common trolls childishly
shit all over Mike's picnic table that is Usenet.

I realize you worthless morons _love_ the attention I'm giving you, where I
ignored feeding you in other people's threads, but I wish to directly call
you out for what you are, which is a bullying coward, on this thread.

Jonathan Little and I and lonelydad (and even Diesel, surprisingly), were
all ADDING ADULT VALUE to the technical discussion of import, where all you
and your worthless buddies can do is play your silly little childish
fifth-grade games.

*You shit on the Potluck Picnic that is Usenet - which you think is funny*

If each of you somehow died, Dan Purgert, the value on Usenet would go UP.
o That's how utterly worthless you each appear to be, as human beings.

Just watch how _every_ post from you, Dan Purgert, and the other worthless
common trolls, adds _negative_ value to almost _any_ technical topic on
Usenet.

IMHO, the only people who added any value to this technical topic were:
o Me (I wrote the tutorials to _help_ other people, unlike you trolls)
o Jonathan Little (he tested the facts to confirm the oddities that exist)
o Diesel (Dustin provided an alternative of UPD when all else fails)
o Lonelydad (he purposefully helpfully suggested a "generic" workaround)
o Mike Easter (he proposed purposefully helpful suggestions elsewhere)

By way of contrast, in this thread, you, Dan Purgert, proved yet again tha
you own the mind of a small child who can _never_ add any on-topic value to
any technical thread on Usenet.

*You shit on the Potluck Picnic that is Usenet - which you think is funny*

I act as a mirror, Dan Purgert:
o When You act like a child, I treat you like a child
o When you act like an adult, I treat you like an adult.

Prove me wrong, Dan, in your _next_ post to any technical thread I author.

arlen holder

2019-04-14 04:00:24 UTC

Post by Jonathan N. Little
I will find out. Since I start the Windows boot it upgraded to 1709.
Dang Windows auto-update!

Hi Jonathan N. Little,

I strive for 100% factual credibility for material facts posted on Usenet.

It's an arduous & complicated process <smile> to dig up old Windows 10
posts using the hard-to-search existing archives, but I found a few
references of the past, which _confirm_ what we've been experiencing, even
as the facts that we've empirically ascertained, are not even close to
intuitive.
o The older Windows 10 updates found the correct printer driver
o Later Windows 10 updates hung forever
o The latest Windows 10 updates do not find the correct printer driver
Hence:
o The _only_ way to get the correct driver is to use the cab method.

Here's a relatively recent 2018 reference showing the older updates hang
forever, just as you recently experienced:
o Quick tutorial for installing the Hewlett Packard HP LaserJet 2100tn printer on Windows.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/VWSC_9c8_Rg/-xPcmUvBBAAJ>

Here's an even older 2016 printer reference backing up our Win7/Win10 experience:
o Why can't Windows 10 install a simple HP LaserJet 2100m printer driver?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.hp.hardware/MrR0Rhtl9ZM/71WveibsDAAJ>

And, for Diesel, here's a reference showing that the "typical" driver
backup solutions appear to fail for Windows 10 printer driver backups.
o How do we save an old already installed HP printer driver on Windows 10 for future use?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.sys.hp.hardware/YZzZVkdm8Ig/yBZfNN4MCgAJ>

Two basic questions exist:

Q1: Why do older Win10 update work but current versions fail?
Q2: Why don't the typical third-party driver backup methods work?

NOTE: For _native_ printer driver backup methods, please see this REFERENCE:
o Tutorial to backup/export currently installed Windows 10 printer drivers
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/WUMSOPviaUs>

I strive for 100% factual credibility for material facts posted on Usenet.
o Nobody has ever found my material fact wrong (Lord knows, they've tried)
o That's simply because I don't make shit up (I care about my credibility)(1)

IMHO, too many people on Usenet are like nospam & Snit (et al.)
o Their credibility is worthless, IMHO (because they make stuff up).

--
(1) Since Usenet is a casual medium, and since I'm human, I must have been
materially wrong at least once in thousands upon thousands of posts over
the years - but the fact is that I don't claim facts that I don't know to
be true since my belief system is NOT imaginary. My belief system is not
only based on facts, but it's bolstered by facts.

nospam

2019-04-14 04:28:33 UTC

Post by arlen holder
o That's simply because I don't make shit up (I care about my credibility)(1)

...

Post by arlen holder
--
(1) Since Usenet is a casual medium, and since I'm human, I must have been
materially wrong at least once in thousands upon thousands of posts over
the years - but the fact is that I don't claim facts that I don't know to
be true since my belief system is NOT imaginary. My belief system is not
only based on facts, but it's bolstered by facts.

putting your footnote *after* the sig delimiter and without any sig is
'materially wrong' and destroys whatever 'credibility' you might have
had.

wasbit

2019-04-13 09:28:07 UTC

snip <
I know it does not have the HP LaserJet 2100 installed, because I don't
use Windows on the laptop.
In fact is is still at 1511, because I don't use Windows on the laptop.
I boot into Windows
Add a network printer
Browse for the server with the printer share
Go to add driver from list but not there in the list as I expect
Click Windows Update button
Go get a cup of coffee
Recheck the list
Lo and behold there it is in the list.
Select the HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 driver.
Done.

The same for the older HP Laserjet 5 with Windows 7 & 8.
Don't know about Windows 10.

--
Regards
wasbit

arlen holder

2019-04-14 02:44:02 UTC

Post by wasbit
The same for the older HP Laserjet 5 with Windows 7 & 8.
Don't know about Windows 10.

Hi wasbit,

What's interesting is that the older printer-specific "Windows 10 Update"
button _did_ have the legacy driver for this particular printer (as both
Jonathan and I well know); but the _newer_ button (apparently) does not.

What's weird is that you'd _think_ that the "Windows 10 Update" button
would go to the _same_ place on both the older Windows 10 and the newer
Windows 10.

Since Jonathan and I both obtained the driver on older versions of Windows
10, but I haven't seen that driver in quite some time on the newer
versions, my _assumption_ is that the printer-specific "Windows 10 Update"
button is (somehow) _different_ for each version of Windows 10.

Why would they do that?
o I don't know why.

All I know is that, empirically, that seems to be the fact.

It would be nice if someone _else_ (other than Jonathan and me) can test
what we found as our version-specific observations though.

Anonymous Remailer (austria)

2019-04-11 19:46:57 UTC

STEVE DOHERTY [aka aardvark] wants to convince everyone that you
threatened to shoot his kids

have you arrested. The police visited you several weeks later and
found no gun or even gun ownership papers

made was found to be non criminal and was disregarded by the
police.

They even appologized to you BD for the false accusation
made by STEVE DOHERTY.

That's something you're making up as you continue trying to name drop
Aardvark. You don't actually know what his real name is but you wish
you did know.

'puter to a local ISP for free and making a complete ASS of
himself still.

of years ago, and is still being written about by STEVE DOHERTY
and his little "girlfriend" sn.

arlen holder

2019-04-11 20:01:01 UTC

Post by Diesel
I know, you think I talk alot of shit or something. That I'm BSing
you in some way concerning my techie skills..

Hi Diesel,

I kind of wish people like you didn't exist.
o All you do is waste everyone's time on your wild goose chases.

In short, Diesel, you're full of shit, yet again.
o Did you expect me not to click on your bullshit links, Diesel?

Why people like you send innocent victims on wild goose chases that you
KNOW (or should know) are a waste of time, is what's so frustrating about
you people who can't comprehend even the most basic of the simplest of
facts.

The problem most people on Usenet make is they think people don't click on
the links that they post. None of the links you provided were to the
correct printer driver for the HP 2100 printer series, Diesel.

Yet again, you just made everything up, hoping nobody would actually click
on the links you provided I guess. (Why else would you provide worthless
links?)

There's a huge difference between you and me, where I am not afraid of
facts, even if facts were to prove me wrong, since my belief system is
based on facts, so facts don't threaten my belief system - facts bolster my
belief system.

If you're going to intimate that the PCL5-based Hewlett Packard HP LaserJet
2100tn is "supported" by HP, then all you have to do is show us where we
can download the drivers on the HP site specific for that printer.

The "n", AFAIK, simply means it has a network card, so an HP 2100 series
PCL5 driver should suffice.

Post by Diesel
allow me to help you with some additional information on your quest.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001
Yes, your printer is listed as supported. :)
https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5
You said it was a 2100 series right? [g]

Hi Diesel,

I always say I'm of average intelligence, if that, where I've worked along
truly intelligent people in grad school and in the Silicon Valley, where my
intelligence pales in comparison to theirs.

If you found the specific driver for the HP 2100tn from the HP web site,
then that's great!

Facts don't threaten my belief system; facts bolster my beliefs.

Let's see if we can _find_ this reputed driver, shall we?

Post by Diesel
You didn't look very hard. The HP 2100 is a well known work horse of
a printer. Very reliable, parts easily acquired, easy to repair.
Damn good printers. As a result, drivers tend to exist to support
them on damn near any OS.

Hi Diesel,

You supplied 3 links:
o <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-series/25469/manuals>
o <https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001>
o <https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5>

The first link is essentially the same as I already provided in this
thread, which points to the "PARK" solution, which I wrote about in the
tutorial as "just crazy" when compared with the trivially simple and
printer-specific solution of installing the 'correct' specific driver for
that specific printer via the correct CAB file for that printer.
o HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit (PARK) HP 2100 Series
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-series/25469>

The second link is essentially a pointer to the "HP Universal Print Driver"
o HP UPD - HP Universal Print Driver (UPD) supported printers
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001>
Which says that the PCL6 is "Not Available" for the HP LJ 2100 Series;
but it says that the PCL5 is "Available" for the HP LJ 2100 Series.

That's good news, if we can find that HP-UPD PCL5 driver, right?

The link above links to this "HP Universal Print Driver" landing page:
"To download the latest version of the Universal Print Driver (UPD),
go to www.hp.com/go/upd."
Which links to this page:
<https://www8.hp.com/us/en/solutions/business-solutions/printingsolutions/UPD.html?jumpid=af_s73wr2vct6>
"One versatile print driver for your PC or laptop checkmark
Automatically discover and print to supported HP devices
and some non-HP devices, with a single print driver."
Which bounces you to here for the "Windows 10" supported latest driver:
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/UPD/4157320/model/4157320>
Which has links for four "Universal Print Driver for Windows" options
o Driver-Universal Print Driver
o Driver-Universal Print Driver for Managed Services
o Driver-USB
o Software-Universal Print Driver (which is just the "crazy" PARK stuff)

Unfortunately, expanding the first option shows zero PCL5 options:
o HP Universal Print Driver for Windows PCL6 (64-bit)
<https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40842/ds-99374-21/upd-pcl6-x64-6.7.0.23989.exe>
o HP Universal Print Driver for Windows PostScript (64-bit)
<https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40842/ds-99376-21/upd-ps-x64-6.7.0.23989.exe>

So that was yet another bust (if we seek the specific PCL5 option anyway).

Going back to search for the PCL5 option, we see there is a page
"supposedly" for older versions, but it fails to load for me:
<https://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/UPD.>
So that's another bust.

Going back to find the HP-UPD for the PCL5, we end up back here:
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5>
Where we must note that we're seeking a version UPD 6.1.0 or lower:
"HP UPD 6.1.0 is the last release of UPD to include PCL5."

At the very bottom of the landing page, we can find older Win8/7 drivers:
o Driver and software support for Windows 7
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03737332>
o Driver and software support for Windows 8/8.1
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03365145>

Looking at the Windows 7 page
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03737332>
We see the 2100 says the "recommended solution" is "UPD" with footnotes:
(4) Universal Print Driver (UPD) provides print-only (no scan or fax)
support. UPD includes an installer that enables either a traditional or
dynamic mode install.
(7)UPD is supported in Windows 7 including UPD PCL 6, UPD PCL 5, and UPD
PostScript. For the best printing experience, download the latest version
with the most recent fixes and features from www.hp.com/go/upd.

It's clear that the UPD is a substandard printer driver, but we still
haven't FOUND it yet for PCL5, where clicking on the "UPD" link for the
2100 takes us to here:
o HP Universal Print Driver
<www8.hp.com/us/en/solutions/business-solutions/printingsolutions/UPD.html>
Which has only one link:
o Download the HP Universal Print Driver
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/UPD/4157320/model/4157320>
Which is EXACTLY where we were before!

Looking at the Windows 8 page:
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03365145>
We see the 2100 says the "recommended solution" is "Windows Update", which
is described as sub optimal functionality:
"Windows Update - Basic, driver included in Windows Update for the
Windows 8/8.1 operating system (OS). For most printers, this driver
provides print-only functionality (no scan features). Select printers will
also have basic WIA support. Use Devices and Printers to run Windows Update
and obtain the latest drivers and updates. Best used when no other solution
is available to provide limited print-only software features."

The "Windows Update" item has these two footnotes:
(2) Windows Update automatically installs the driver when the computer has
an internet connection. If the company restricts access to the internet or
Windows Update, contact the system administrator.
(12)nternet connection required. If internet access is not available, use
the In-OS driver. For instructions on how to manually install the drivers
and software, go to Install the driver included in Windows 8/8.1 or
Windows Update. <https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03470332>

Where the "Windows Update" links to that same page:
o HP LaserJet - Install the driver for an HP printer on a network in Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03470332>

Your third link simply rehashes what we already covered above:
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5>

In short, Diesel, you're full of shit, yet again.

Why people like you send innocent victims on wild goose chases that you
KNOW (or should know) are a waste of time, is what's so frustrating about
you people who can't comprehend even the most basic of the simplest of
facts.

Sigh.

I kind of wish people like you didn't exist.
o All you do is waste everyone's time on your wild goose chases.

Diesel

2019-04-12 00:03:15 UTC

Post by Diesel
I know, you think I talk alot of shit or something. That I'm
BSing you in some way concerning my techie skills..

Hi Diesel,
I kind of wish people like you didn't exist.

That's kind ofyou.

Post by arlen holder
o All you do is waste everyone's time on your wild goose chases.

I didn't waste the time of anyone with a bit of intelligence about
them.

Post by arlen holder
o Did you expect me not to click on your bullshit links, Diesel?

I'm not in the habit of posting bullshit links. I provide links
because I want you to click on them. What would be the point
otherwise?

Post by arlen holder
Why people like you send innocent victims on wild goose chases
that you KNOW (or should know) are a waste of time, is what's so
frustrating about you people who can't comprehend even the most
basic of the simplest of facts.

I didn't send you on a wild goose chase. It's you who has the
comprehension issue here.

Post by arlen holder
The problem most people on Usenet make is they think people don't
click on the links that they post. None of the links you provided
were to the correct printer driver for the HP 2100 printer series,
Diesel.

You're wrong, Arlen.

Post by arlen holder
There's a huge difference between you and me, where I am not
afraid of facts, even if facts were to prove me wrong, since my
belief system is based on facts, so facts don't threaten my belief
system - facts bolster my belief system.

If that's the case, then accept the fact a user can follow the links
I provided and for the most part, granted you seem to be the
exception here, install the printer and get it running just fine.

Post by arlen holder
If you're going to intimate that the PCL5-based Hewlett Packard HP
LaserJet 2100tn is "supported" by HP, then all you have to do is
show us where we can download the drivers on the HP site specific
for that printer.

I provided you links concerning the universal printer driver. If you
wish to use the network support, get the one that doesn't specify,
USB. This isn't rocket science...

Post by arlen holder
The "n", AFAIK, simply means it has a network card, so an HP 2100
series PCL5 driver should suffice.

No shit.

Post by arlen holder
I always say I'm of average intelligence, if that, where I've
worked along truly intelligent people in grad school and in the
Silicon Valley, where my intelligence pales in comparison to
theirs.

Your intelligence pales in comparison to many more than Silicon
Valley.

Post by arlen holder
If you found the specific driver for the HP 2100tn from the HP web
site, then that's great!

Ahem....

What I provided you will work for your printer on Windows 10, Arlen.

You originally stated:

Message-ID: <q8e478$m5s$***@news.mixmin.net>

How to install the HP LaserJet 2100tn on Windows 10 in 2019
*******************************************************************
Please improve so that everyone benefits from your actions.

Note that the procedure outlined below will be the same for other
legacy printers which also do not have current Windows &
manufacturer drivers, and which also don't have updates on the
specific Printer Windows Update mechanism.

NOTE what will NOT work:
o The HP web site does NOT have the printer driver.
o The default Microsoft Windows 10 can not find the printer driver.
o The special printer-based Windows 10 Update does not find it
either.
o This is the _best_ known method of installing the legacy printer
driver!
o Note that you can _build_ your own printer driver (but that's
crazy)
(If you know of any other working method - please advise.)

**** end paste
I provided you another working method. An easy method that HP
encourages these days to make life a little easier for the home user
as well as administrator. They should have done this a long time ago,
imo. But, now is better than never.

Post by arlen holder
Hi Diesel,
o <https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-laserjet-2100-printer-se
ries/25469/manuals> o

Yep. Tells you everything you as a user need to know about the
printer. Thought it might be helpful for you.

Post by arlen holder
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001> o
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001#AbT5>
The first link is essentially the same as I already provided in
about in the tutorial as "just crazy" when compared with the
trivially simple and printer-specific solution of installing the
'correct' specific driver for that specific printer via the
correct CAB file for that printer. o HP Printer Administrator
Resource Kit (PARK) HP 2100 Series
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-laserjet-2100
-printer-series/25469>

Actually, you wrote about being confused. You can use the
administrator resource kit, but you aren't going to build a driver as
in code one from scratch using it. And I have no idea why you think
you'd actually be building a driver with it. It's not the solution I
suggested for you either. It would work as well, but it's gross
overkill for your particular solution and most home users wouldn't
need it.

Post by arlen holder
The second link is essentially a pointer to the "HP Universal
Print Driver" o HP UPD - HP Universal Print Driver (UPD) supported
printers <https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04324001>
Which says that the PCL6 is "Not Available" for the HP LJ 2100
Series; but it says that the PCL5 is "Available" for the HP LJ
2100 Series.

That's correct. Your printer is NOT PCL6 capable, therefore, it will
not send PCL6 control commands to it. It knows your printer is a PCL5
capable one, and it will send those commands to it.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Post by arlen holder
<https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/UPD/4157320/model
/4157320> Which has links for four "Universal Print Driver for
Windows" options
o Driver-Universal Print Driver

Are you taking advantage of it's network card? If so, use this one.

Post by arlen holder
o Driver-Universal Print Driver for Managed Services

You don't need this one unless you're using Managed services.

Post by arlen holder
o Driver-USB

Are you connecting it via USB and not going to use the network
interface? Use this one, then.

Post by arlen holder
o Software-Universal Print Driver (which is just the "crazy" PARK stuff)

It's the driver, and a pile of supporting documentation, etc etc etc.
It's for system admins to do quick rollouts and perform centralized
management. It's not for you, Arlen.

[snip]

Post by arlen holder
In short, Diesel, you're full of shit, yet again.

No, I'm not. YOU didn't understand what I wrote is all.

Post by arlen holder
I kind of wish people like you didn't exist.
o All you do is waste everyone's time on your wild goose chases.

You're clearly a waste of my time. I sent you on no wild goose chases
and provided you perfectly valid information that will work. You
can't even determine WHICH link to click out of the four offerings,
yet for the arrogance you continue to show, you ARE THAT FUCKING
STUPID. Christ, the links aren't rocket science. They make perfect
sense. Yes or no questions in your head, basically.

You didn't even know what PCL stood for. It's you who's the waste of
time.

--
Cats must wake Mom up in the morning by dropping a coffee maker on
her head.

arlen holder

2019-04-12 16:56:51 UTC

Post by Diesel
I'm not in the habit of posting bullshit links. I provide links
because I want you to click on them. What would be the point
otherwise?

Hi Diesel,
I publicly apologize.

Specifically, I apologize for coming down hard on you yesterday.
o I should have been more factually straightforward instead of frustrated.

AFAIK, the fact is the "specific" correct driver isn't on the HP site.
o I wish someone would prove me wrong on that factual statement, Diesel.
o But, unfortunately, nobody has ever proven me wrong on material fact yet (1).

I publicly apologize for not appreciating your HP UPD suggestion.
o I should have THANKED YOU, instead of complaining it's not fully functional.

I repeat that I do very much appreciate the pointer to the Universal
Printer Driver, as I did NOT put that suggestion in the reference tutorial.

So you CORRECTED a flaw in the REFERENCE tutorial that I hadn't thought of.

Since you ADDED VALUE, I apologize for not thanking you for bringing up the
UPD, since that is a valid option, where I apologize for being frustrated
yesterday in that I had (likely incorrectly) inferred that you were
implying that the "specific" printer driver was on the HP web site.

If you made no such implications, then my inference was incorrect.

While I've already said what I thought about HP PARK, I would certainly and
willingly put HP UPD in a _different_ category than "crazy" since UPD is
designed for users whereas PARK is not (AFAIK).

Hence, two very clear open and honest adult statements from me Diesel:
1. I publicly apologize for coming down hard on your suggestion yesterday.
2. You ADDED VALUE that I didn't have in the REFERENCE tutorial
3. That value is that the driver-of-last-resort would be the HP UPD driver.

NOTE: These are the kinds of statements you won't likely see from Jonathan,
for example, but which I believe are warranted on his part.

Post by Diesel
What I provided you will work for your printer on Windows 10, Arlen.

Yes. I apologize. Publicly. Openly. Honestly.

I apologize to you, and to everyone who had to read my tirade against you.

I can explain that I was frustrated that the "real" printer driver didn't
exist on the HP web site, but perhaps you weren't implying that after all,
so, then it was MY MISTAKE to infer that you were implying that the "real"
driver existed on the HP web site.

Even though the (sad) fact that the real driver doesn't appear to exist on
the HP web site, and even though I knew quite well that PARK existed, I
should have THANKED YOU for providing the pointer to the UPD which I had
originally discounted.

As a printer driver of last resort, the UPD solution certainly has merit.

It has "problems", mainly of two types - but it's better'n nothing:
1. It doesn't support all printer features, and,
2. It doesn't "seem" to support PCL5.

I do not know if the PCL6 UPD "also" supports PCL5 though.
o Do you? (EDIT: See below where you answered that question.)

Post by Diesel
I provided you another working method. An easy method that HP
encourages these days to make life a little easier for the home user
as well as administrator. They should have done this a long time ago,
imo. But, now is better than never.

Hi Diesel,
I agree with you that you "provided another working method".
It was MY FAULT for misunderstanding what you were implying.
I misunderstood. It was my fault. I apologize.

I agree with you that the UPD is a viable option of last resort.

HP UPUD would be a great option of first resort if UPD didn't have the flaw
that it doesn't support all features (e.g., scanning on my printer, and
faxing on others) but it's likely to at least print text.

There's also the uncertainty whether the PCL6 UPD will support PCL5
printers well enough to be useful as the driver of last resort.
(EDIT: See below where you answered that question.)

Again, I apologize for not THANKING YOU for bringing up yet another viable
option for users who can't find the "right" printer driver on either HP's
web site or Microsoft's normal update process.

Hi Diesel,
If a PCL6 UPD works for PCL5 printers, I'm fine with that.
o In fact, I'd _expect_ that to be the case.

But without having tested it, I'm not sure it's always going to work.

If you think the HP UPD PCL6 drivers will always work on PCL5 printers,
then I have to go with that as I openly admit ignorance of the differences.

Post by Diesel
No, I'm not. YOU didn't understand what I wrote is all.

Hi Diesel,
I publicly apologize and agree that I misunderstood what you wrote.
I agree with you, where I think these are the 3 salient options:
1. The "specific" driver does not seem to exist on the HP site
2. The PARK driver is not for the general user
3. The UPD driver _is_ for the general user (who can't find the specific
driver).

Luckily we _can_ find the specific driver, but it's not in the normal
Windows, nor in the current printer-specific Windows Update, but it's in
the Windows Catalogue.

This is all useful information.

I THANK YOU for adding the UPD driver to the list of options for the user.

--
(1) I'm human, so, I may have once or twice in tens of thousands of posts,
misstated a material fact, especially as Usenet is casual, but nobody can
find any material fact I've stated that was wrong (trust me, they've
tried),
which you have to admit is pretty incredible for factual credibility on
Usenet.

Diesel

2019-04-17 00:22:03 UTC

Post by Diesel
I'm not in the habit of posting bullshit links. I provide links
because I want you to click on them. What would be the point
otherwise?

Hi Diesel,
I publicly apologize.

No worries.

Post by arlen holder
Specifically, I apologize for coming down hard on you yesterday.
o I should have been more factually straightforward instead of
frustrated.

Your idea of hard is a walk in the park for me, Arlen. :)

Post by arlen holder
I publicly apologize for not appreciating your HP UPD suggestion.
o I should have THANKED YOU, instead of complaining it's not fully functional.

You're using a printer on an OS that didn't even exist in alpha
stages at the time. It's the OS developer who's responsible for the
lack luster support available for older printers. They like to pawn
the issue off on the printer manufacturer, but how many times should
they have to rewrite a printer driver? MS doesn't have to be
dickheads about that side of things, they choose to do so.

Post by arlen holder
I repeat that I do very much appreciate the pointer to the
Universal Printer Driver, as I did NOT put that suggestion in the
reference tutorial.

As I wrote previously, no worries.

Post by arlen holder
While I've already said what I thought about HP PARK, I would
certainly and willingly put HP UPD in a _different_ category than
"crazy" since UPD is designed for users whereas PARK is not
(AFAIK).

PARK can be used by users.. Some of them, anyway. UPD however isn't
the same thing as PARK. Despite PARK having the same code and then
some...

Post by arlen holder
Hence, two very clear open and honest adult statements from me
Diesel: 1. I publicly apologize for coming down hard on your
suggestion yesterday. 2. You ADDED VALUE that I didn't have in the
REFERENCE tutorial 3. That value is that the driver-of-last-resort
would be the HP UPD driver.

It's not a driver of last resort. It's a driver, period. One of
several methods that are available to get that printer, and many more
from HP online and working, atleast in so far as basic printing is
concerned.

Post by Diesel
What I provided you will work for your printer on Windows 10,
Arlen.

Yes. I apologize. Publicly. Openly. Honestly.
I apologize to you, and to everyone who had to read my tirade
against you.

I appreciate that. You could have opted to ignore what I wrote, but,
anyone who visited the links you previously dismissed as being bogus
would have quickly realized I did infact, provide you solid
information. You simply misunderstood it. And once again, incorrectly
assumed I was full of shit, or otherwise bsing you. I wasn't then and
I'm still not now. I have nothing to gain by doing so, and much to
lose (imo).

Post by arlen holder
As a printer driver of last resort, the UPD solution certainly has merit.

It's not a driver of last resort...

Post by arlen holder
It has "problems", mainly of two types - but it's better'n
nothing: 1. It doesn't support all printer features, and,
2. It doesn't "seem" to support PCL5.

It's not going to support all printer features for models that were
released long before Windows 10. MS made changes, once again to the
sub systems which require manufacturers to do rewrites in many cases,
and in few cases, resign the code to make Winshit happy. The point
is, it's MS fault you have to deal with this absurd nonsense in the
first place. it's not worth a manufacturers time and effort to keep
what MS considers classic/ancient hardware working happily with
Winshit 10.

Post by arlen holder
Hi Diesel,
I agree with you that you "provided another working method".
It was MY FAULT for misunderstanding what you were implying.
I misunderstood. It was my fault. I apologize.

No biggie. As I wrote previously in another post, likely more than
once, Your personal opinion of me doesn't affect me in any way shape
or form. I don't care what you think you know, I've been doing the
actual hands on work for decades already. I've met many people just
like you, but I don't mind, a fool and his money spends just as well
as an intelligent person and theirs.

At the end of the day, people just like you with the arrogance and
little knowledge of the subject matter is what pays my bills. You
often tend to try and fix it yourselves, only making it worse; and I
have no complaints, it's more work I can charge for when your better
half finally lays down the law and tells you to call a pro.

Post by arlen holder
I agree with you that the UPD is a viable option of last resort.

It's a viable option, I wrote nothing about last resort. Don't put
words in my mouth again, please.

Post by arlen holder
This is all useful information.

Jonathan provided you another useful method in which to get the
specific driver you want. I've had no issues duplicating his results
and I'm unsure as to why you're presently unable to do so.

Post by arlen holder
I THANK YOU for adding the UPD driver to the list of options for the user.

You're welcome.

--
A bunch of lawyers were sitting around the office playing poker.
I win! says Johnson at which point Henderson throws down his cards.
Thats it! I've had it! Johnson is cheating!!!
How can you tell? Phillips asked.
Those aren't the cards I dealt him!

arlen holder

2019-04-18 09:19:57 UTC

Post by Diesel
Jonathan provided you another useful method in which to get the
specific driver you want. I've had no issues duplicating his results
and I'm unsure as to why you're presently unable to do so.

Hi Diesel,

Thanks again for pointing out that there is an option for installing a UPD
from HP which, while it won't do everything that the original printer
driver did, it does the basic printing (which may be enough).

It's another nice option for the tutorial, where clearly the Microsoft
Catalogue is the best approach for this _specific_ legacy printer, but, for
_other_ legacy printers, the UPD may be the next-best thing to the correct
printer driver.

So your suggestion added value to the tutorial, and for that I thank you.

Just to be clear on facts, I think Jonathan N. Little, who, by the way, was
instrumental in helping me write the previous two tutorials on getting
legacy printers working, found EXACTLY the same situation as I did in both
Windows and on Linux.

On Linux, the fully functional driver installs easily, in all cases.
o On Windows, his & my results varied according to the Windows version.

We both experienced, empirically, AFAIK, the EXACT same situation:
o The older Windows printer-specific "Windows Update" found the right driver
o Then, later Windows versions err'd out on that same "Windows Update" button
o Now, recent Windows versions simply always fail to find the right driver

Perhaps the best lesson, for legacy printer owners, is to archive the CAB
file while they still can, or, if the CAB fails, to backup after the fact
the existing printer drivers using the methods described here:
o Tutorial to backup/export currently installed Windows 10 printer drivers
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/WUMSOPviaUs>

What's interesting is that the 3rd-party driver-backup solutions failed in
my tests of long ago, so that method is secondary to the CAB method which
is known to work beautifully (for now).

Diesel

2019-04-19 07:46:57 UTC

Post by Diesel
Jonathan provided you another useful method in which to get the
specific driver you want. I've had no issues duplicating his
results and I'm unsure as to why you're presently unable to do
so.

It may/may not support all functions of your printer. I don't have a
2100 at the shop to test with. Otherwise, I'd checkout all options in
more detail for the benefit of those interested. I like the printer
itself, they are very reliable work horses for a small home
office/home user. I really don't blame HP for the Windows 10 driver
issue you're experiencing.

Post by arlen holder
It's another nice option for the tutorial, where clearly the
Microsoft Catalogue is the best approach for this _specific_
legacy printer, but, for _other_ legacy printers, the UPD may be
the next-best thing to the correct printer driver.

The above should be clearly labeled as your own personal opinion.
Otherwise, a newbie might think this is the generally suggested
method in which to do this when it's not. You had an issue installing
the correct printer driver on your particular Windows install. I've
been unable so far to duplicate the problem you've run into. Jonathan
has also failed to duplicate the issue you are having.

Post by arlen holder
So your suggestion added value to the tutorial, and for that I
thank you.

It's not a problem.

Post by arlen holder
Just to be clear on facts, I think Jonathan N. Little, who, by the
way, was instrumental in helping me write the previous two
tutorials on getting legacy printers working, found EXACTLY the
same situation as I did in both Windows and on Linux.

You're mistaken again, Arlen. Jonathan provided semi detailed
research reports concerning the issue. He wasn't able to duplicate
your problem results. Instead, he was able to install the correct
printer driver via Windows update.

Message-ID: <q8rrcj$epl$***@dont-email.me>

Went through the install printer process on 1709 and yep, after
clicking Windows Update button there she be! The correct driver.

Well, now 1803 is installed and at the pending reboot stage, but
it's late and Windows takes considerable time to finish this install
with several reboots as well, (a pleasure not experienced in Linux).
Since it is dual boot I have to be there to select Windows or it
boots into Ubuntu. I will test the printer driver then and I will
bet it will still show up after clicking the Windows Update button
just as previous versions.

And when it updates to 1809 I know it will work as well because my
desktop is currently running 1809 Build 17763.316. I have the dang
printer currently installed and I did not extract any drivers from
old cabs or any other fiddly bits in your list.

**** end paste

I'm unable to find a post from him where he mentions having a problem
getting the printer to install and function under Linux. I'd be very
surprised to learn he had any issue with cups and that particular
printer.

I've yet to find a printer I can't install using any of the distro's
I personally use and provide paid (recurring revenue, these are a
small companies real bread and butter man, service contracts) local
support for.

For example, I just recently purchased a low cost Canon MG2522
printer/scanner/copier (I really only wanted a printer, but what the
hell right?) and connected it to one of my linux servers. It happens
to run Linux Mint 17.3 KDE edition.

I didn't so much as use an install script, terminal command, or click
a single button in any wizards. Never used the driver cd (minidisc)
that came with the printer either. It's printing, scanning and
copying just fine, across my entire fucking network. It's even
supported in WINE. I fired up TinyCad on the same linux machine and
it came up like a printer in Windows would, as far as the program
knows. [g] Prints my schematics just fine!

I have several small business clients that are linux
workstation/server based - they were formally windows based. The
sometimes, high volume tech support calls for simple windows issues
have been reduced significantly. Linux just 'works' in these
particular cases.

And continues to do so. Even when someone surfs porn on their lunch
break and visits dodgy arse sites, they still present very little
actual risk to the network itself or the data contained within. Worst
case scenario, they'll fuckup their own user profile on that machine;
but only for a few minutes. [g] The crypto based ransomware going
around, showing many I.T people up for the college educated total
asshats they actually are, doesn't present any risk to the networks
I'm responsible for. Or the data they contain.

My configurations aren't too special, it's just that I take security
very seriously and correctly anticipate the users logged in, won't. I
set the workstations and network itself up with that in mind. In the
event of a security breach, it will be a confined one with limited
potential damage.

It's a fools game to assume your network will never be breached. It's
much better to anticipate it will and prepare accordingly in the
layout and configuration.

Post by arlen holder
On Linux, the fully functional driver installs easily, in all
cases. o On Windows, his & my results varied according to the
Windows version.

You might actually have an issue with the Windows update components
on your machine. Either a misregistered/missing dll and/or corrupt
registry key entries. It's also possible one or more semi temporary
but hidden from view cache files is damaged/corrupted.

It doesn't take much effort to piss Winshit update off. It should be
allowing you to install that printer via Windows Update. Just as I've
duplicated, just as Jonathan has duplicated on several build
versions. Your particular installation has a problem. It may be
affecting more than just printer drivers, too.

Linux isn't one distro, Arlen. The Linux eco system is nothing like
that of Windows. When discussing what should/shouldn't work on Linux,
it's always best to provide the distro name or something that
signifies which for lack of a better word here, version of Linux
you're writing about. Debian and ubuntu for example aren't the same
critter under the hood.

Lemme give you an easy example here.

MX Linux is based on debian. Linux Mint OTH is based on Ubuntu.

sudo youtube-dl -U is not going to update the youtube downloader for
you on MX Linux. Instead, you'll be provided with a nice and short
message about doing it yourself.

On Linux Mint, that command will update the youtube downloader for
you.

They are both Linux, but, the same command won't give you the same
results on both. Just a small example out of thousands. Linux without
further detail isn't helpful, you understand?

Post by arlen holder
o The older Windows printer-specific "Windows Update" found the
right driver o Then, later Windows versions err'd out on that same
"Windows Update" button o Now, recent Windows versions simply
always fail to find the right driver

You are mistaken, again, Arlen.

(His first reply in the thread)
Message-ID: <q8niv6$t9c$***@dont-email.me>

OP notoriously makes everything arduous and complicated. I have an
HP LaserJet 2100 as my main document laser. It is as standard and
not a TN with a printserver nor a USB so I have in on an old bit of
hardware with a parallel port Linux server. Via CUPS share it was
simple to setup in Windows 10. Just choose the PCL5 driver the PCL6
does not work.

<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>

IIRC Windows 7 didn't have the LaserJet 2100 Series driver so I used
the LaserJet 2200 Series driver without issue.

(2nd reply in the thread)

Post by arlen holder
1. Installing from a cab file is NOT "arduous & complicated".

I didn't. I used Windows Update. Just selected it.

Post by arlen holder
2. Why do you think installing the "wrong" printer driver is
better?

IIRC Windows 7 didn't have HP LaserJet 2100 Series driver for 64 bit
Windows in Windows Update, so I chose the closest model they did
have.

Post by arlen holder
I _appreciate_ your help Jonathan, but your statement was uncalled
for. o I doubt you could find _any_ logic which justifies what you
said.

Post by arlen holder
NOTE: I'm not saying installing the 'wrong' printer driver won't
work, especially as I already said I used to do that also, but,
AFAICR, when I last tried to install the 'wrong' printer driver,
it failed (so you have to pick the "correct" "wrong" printer
driver using the process that you, somehow, feel is less "arduous
& complicated".
In short, your statement reeked of misunderstanding or downright
duplicity. An adult would apologize, and make it water under the
bridge, Jonathan.

Why? I did no arduous process which you detail. I have the printer
installed. It is using the correct driver. It works. Just pick it
from the list. See:

<http://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/hplj2100-win10>

Post by arlen holder
There are no other options to your statements, Jonathan.
o Either you comprehend that the correct driver no longer exists
in the printer-specific Windows 10 update - in which case, you're
just playing games.
o Or, you don't comprehend that the driver is no longer in the
printer-specific Windows-10 update, which means you didn't
comprehend a single word in this thread.

The printer-specific driver is in the Windows10 update, the
printer-specific driver was not in Windows 7. I have installed in on
this system, didn't download a driver, didn't extract and driver
from cabs from old installers or any of the "arduous & complicated"
steps you seem to think you need.

So just for ha-has the only other system I have with Windows on it
is my laptop. It's dual boot with Ubuntu, but I never user the
Windows. I have a SSD on order and when it arrives, bye-bye Windows.

I know it does not have the HP LaserJet 2100 installed, because I
don't use Windows on the laptop.

In fact is is still at 1511, because I don't use Windows on the
laptop.

I boot into Windows

Add a network printer

Browse for the server with the printer share

Go to add driver from list but not there in the list as I expect

Click Windows Update button

Go get a cup of coffee

Recheck the list

Lo and behold there it is in the list.

Select the HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 driver.

Done.

(4th reply in thread):

Message-ID: <q8rrcj$epl$***@dont-email.me>
I will find out. Since I start the Windows boot it upgraded to 1709.
Dang Windows auto-update!

Went through the install printer process on 1709 and yep, after
clicking Windows Update button there she be! The correct driver.

Well, now 1803 is installed and at the pending reboot stage, but
it's late and Windows takes considerable time to finish this install
with several reboots as well, (a pleasure not experienced in Linux).
Since it is dual boot I have to be there to select Windows or it
boots into Ubuntu. I will test the printer driver then and I will
bet it will still show up after clicking the Windows Update button
just as previous versions.

And when it updates to 1809 I know it will work as well because my
desktop is currently running 1809 Build 17763.316. I have the dang
printer currently installed and I did not extract any drivers from
old cabs or any other fiddly bits in your list.

Post by arlen holder
It's been that way for quite some time, Jonathan, AFAICR.

Funny I have confirmed it with 1511, 1709, soon with 1803, and I know
it's included with 1809.

Post by arlen holder
That would indicate, logically, that the printer-specific Windows
Update button goes to a version-specific Microsoft repository.

Or your Windows install is just "special".

*** end of replies from him in thread.

At no time did he experience the issues you reported having when you
tried to install the printer. Quite the contrary, they continued to
contradict what you were writing and continued to provide screenshots
of the printer driver being available and selected for use. The
correct driver, no less.

You completely misunderstood what he wrote, each and every time he
did so. Or, you're intentionally being dishonest now when you claimed
that you both experienced the same exact issues, because, clearly, he
didn't.

Post by arlen holder
Perhaps the best lesson

Hmm. I think, in all honesty and fairness, the best advice to follow
at this point wouldn't be your tutorials or guides on the subject.

Your Windows installation has a problem. You should have it corrected
and retest your results before going any further with promoting this
particular tutorial.

I've duplicated the same results Johnathan reported with a virtual
printer on a VM. The VM thinks it's that printer because when it
polls the USB port, the hardware device is claiming to be an HP 2100
series printer. <G> I'm completely cheating the system to do these
tests since I don't have the real thing handy.. but, it's working to
a point. I've been unable to reproduce the erroneous results you're
having, so far.

It's finding the drivers just fine and installing them. I can't
actually print a test page as final confirmation (since it's not a
printer rofl), but I have no reason to think that if I had the real
thing connected, it wouldn't print one with the selected driver.

Btw, It took me about an hour to search through some old hard copy
printouts covering that series/generation printer in order to fool
one of my computers into thinking this former USB memory stick is a
printer. <G> I'd long since forgotten the proper ID string its
supposed to send when asked. Had to look it up. heh.

Btw, ... Don't take usb sticks from people you don't know and trust
and insert them into your USB ports or hubs. You probably shouldn't
take them blindly from people you do know and trust because they
could be duped into slipping you something that's not really a memory
stick at all, or, worse, actually is a memory stick with some extra
components onboard that will do things you probably wouldn't allow if
you knew about it. The USB system especially on Windows is very
trusting and super friendly. And, if you know what you're doing, have
a disposable prepaid visa and/or gift card, can get some items drop
shipped; you can order everything you need from amazon and/or other
electronics components places and build some nifty, if not sneaky,
downright bastardized, usb 'memory sticks'.

And there's all kinds of other things you can do to one that causes
hardware damage, fires that water won't put out, etc. You can give
someone an all new meaning to April fools day.

Post by arlen holder
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/WUMSOPvi
aUs>

Rather than go through all of that, I'd opt to pull the message ID of
the post if it's short enough (and it should be), and provide a
howardknight bookmark style link instead. The results that come back
are plain text.

Post by arlen holder
What's interesting is that the 3rd-party driver-backup solutions
failed in my tests of long ago, so that method is secondary to the
CAB method which is known to work beautifully (for now).

As I reported previously, I didn't have such failures using the same
software you previously mentioned. Infact, Double Driver is a
standard install on systems I service. It stays out of the way and
provides me a solid backup of the drivers present on their machines.
This is especially important if they are gamers and/or video encoder
buffs. driver versions do matter in these cases. Latest isn't always
what you want to be running in those cases.

With Vista and up though, it's best to be running it as admin so it
has the necessary access rights to get the driver list, process the
driver list and pull the files that makeup that particular driver
entry. And repeat until all selected drivers are backed up.

If you didn't run it as admin on your Windows version (I'm assuming
it was vista or better when you had the problem?) that may explain
why it didn't create a reliable set of backups for you.

It's essentially doing the same thing you suggest/recommend via
console, Only in a much easier manner. It's essentially looking in
key registry spots for the required information which tells it
what/where the driver file(s) are. It also duplicates the registry
information/configuration of said drivers and restores that later if
asked.

You're going about it the long way. Where as if you'd take a little
time and learn a scripting language and/or modern HLL language (you
have time. reroute the tutorial guide time into something more
productive for you and others, coding!) you could save some steps as
you coded it yourself, to your exact specifications no less. No more
depending on others to write what you need/want. You can do it
yourself.

There's no better feeling than that, either, Arlen.

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Post by Diesel
If you're using PCL drivers, you go with the one known to support
your printer. If your printer is pcl5 capable

Dusty, interesting factoid. Many years ago I wrote a inkjet printer
driver for the Sinclair Spectrum 48k which I released as freeware
although I don't recollect the term freeware being used back then.
You'll be pleased to know that the guts was written in assembler. The
printer I used back then ran HP PCL6 and I got that secondhand from a
car boot sale. I dunno where the printer is and if I still have it.
Doubt it. I would guess I threw it away ~15-20 years ago. Lordy son.
Move with the times.

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